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Morality and downloading
#21
RE: Morality and downloading
Really? Movie piracy is to blame for Hollywood's complete creative bankruptcy? Whoda thunk. And how convenient.
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#22
RE: Morality and downloading
Yes, like peaking through the fence at drive through movie theater. But if everyone did, it would still deprive the movie makers and the theater of a living. So, it's immoral.
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#23
RE: Morality and downloading
(April 13, 2015 at 7:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: Really? Movie piracy is to blame for Hollywood's complete creative bankruptcy? Whoda thunk. And how convenient.

Quite a pathetic excuse that is, honestly.  
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#24
RE: Morality and downloading
(April 13, 2015 at 7:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: Really? Movie piracy is to blame for Hollywood's complete creative bankruptcy? Whoda thunk. And how convenient.

Only if thieves have better taste than people who pay---a dubious premise.
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#25
RE: Morality and downloading
(April 13, 2015 at 7:48 pm)Alex K Wrote: Really? Movie piracy is to blame for Hollywood's complete creative bankruptcy? Whoda thunk. And how convenient.

Really, it's not like movie executives are known for caring about anything other than the bottom line.
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#26
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Try before you buy system.
it saves many people from buying really crappy game.
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#27
Morality and downloading
I never signed a social contract.
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#28
RE: Morality and downloading
(April 13, 2015 at 5:52 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: It depends, of course.

I buy all of the software I use (everything that isn't freeware, that is).  I don't download music.

Any video that I download is limited to productions that I'm entitled to watch (i.e. I don't see a moral issue with downloading episodes of "Game of Thrones", because I pay for a subscription to HBO).  It's legal to use a VCR / DVD or other recording device to time/place/format shift a video recording for personal use.  If it's legal for me to do so, and it's legal for me to possess and use a recording, then I see no problem with downloading something I'm already legally entitled to view (and record, should I feel like it).

The media producers may disagree, but they can fuck themselves.

Most of the services have that option built in to the higher tier packages.

As for me, I paid for every song, video and software package I have in my possession.  I have over 12,600 songs (been collecting since the first CDs hit the stores) and over 1000 DVD/Blu-ray (same here, been collecting since they hit the streets) along with with Office after Office after Office.  (I despise Microsoft, but am forced due to my working environment).

If you do not own it or are not licensed to use it, then you are stealing.  No ands, ifs, or buts about it.  There is absolutely no difference between downloading unauthorized media, getting a copy (and usually bad) at your local flea-market or shoplifting.  If you do not own it or are not licensed to use it, then you are stealing.

Just MHO.
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#29
RE: Morality and downloading
This problem is more widespread in Australia, but I had real trouble procuring the entertainment I wanted there at a reasonable price. You tend to pay the Australia Tax on media there, but I was always really willing to pay money for things, just assuming there wasn't a considerable markup compared to other countries, and it came out in a timely manner.

I used to pirate movies and TV shows simply because they were available far quicker through torrent services than they were on the shelves. When they came onto the shelves, I'd buy the things I torrented; that way, I got the advantages of fair release schedules and prices- I'd only buy on sale when the price wasn't hideously over-inflated- while still ensuring they got my sale. I felt it was a good compromise, until the distributors deigned to start marketing things fairly.
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#30
RE: Morality and downloading
(April 13, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Napoléon Wrote: [quote='BrianSoddingBoru4' pid='919412' dateline='14289But I really wish people would stop equating piracy with the word "stealing". They're different things.
Nope! It is stealing. If one takes something that they are not entitled to, it is stealing. The DVD is not worth $24, it is the information on the DVD that is worth $24. Piracy of that DVD is the same as stealing $24 bucks. Rationalize all you want, but it is still theft of property.

(April 13, 2015 at 7:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:


So then, taking a hardbacked novel out of a bookshop without paying doesn't qualify as theft, correct?

Boru

And if I take a car from a car dealer, they have lots of cars and they are insured also.

Hell, I should just go rip off the Federal Reserve.  They can just print more money up. Thinking
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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