If God sent your child to Hell.

[Prince]

Opinion appears to be divided among theists. I've been listening to Steve Shives do his latest review of apologists' books, and that author clearly states that those who never even hear of Christianity go to hell. The full hell. And he's fine with that! He says God doesn't have to save anyone from hell, so we should be grateful that any of us get saved.

How religion can twist people. Move to 24:15 in the video below to hear the chapter I'm talking about. It may be one of the worst and most revolting apologetics you've ever heard.

http://youtu.be/5cJ-WwM3aKM

It reminds me of prophet Muhammad saying, that the majority of humans in hell will consists of 'woman', thus for all the evil they bring into this world. If we base Gallups's argument on God's logic from the Bible, we as a human race are not saved at all, but condemned in Hell fire no matter what we do or believe in. 

Just like my Grandma always used to say: "God loves you so much, but he will torture you in Hell fire, then because he is so fair and merciful, He then will save you and send you to Heaven throughout eternity" 

I mean, I don't get it? Why doesn't God just send me to heaven directly, why is it necessary for Him to condemn my soul in Hell. Is it for fun? or He just doesn't love me enough?

I tend to think God is a troll!

 

[Hatshepsut]

Opinion appears to be divided among theists...[Carl Gallups] states that those who never even hear of Christianity go to hell...we should be grateful that any of us get saved...one of the worst and most revolting apologetics you've ever heard.

Amen. You should tell me where you get all those cartoons and videos from. Used car salesmanship and downhome Southern Christianity do have something in common. Carl Gallups is pastor of Hickory Hammock Baptist in Milton, FL. On his ministry website (a virtual shopping mall), you learn from WDN-TV why this "Top 100 Amazon Seller" reluctantly chose to write his magnum opus, but he's careful not to give any spoilers; for preview of content see Amazon. Gallups appears better informed regarding his opposition and crafts his argument with a subtler touch than the next selection, however. Ray Comfort goes more directly after atheism & evolution. His book, You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence..., leads us to the Crocoduck, an amusing critter with the head and webbed feet of a mallard welded onto a Nile crocodile's body, one of the famous missing links. Again no spoilers to keep you from clicking "Add to Cart," but RationalWiki has an extensive review.

Carl's Shop: http://www.carlgallups.com/magicman/
*Magic Man at Amazon

Ray's Shop: http://www.livingwaters.com/biography/ray-comfort
*RWiki review of "You Can Lead..."

Nonetheless, if one steers clear of this quackery, a more thoughtful Christianity can be found. The United Church of Christ and Presbyterian Church (USA) do not advance a theology of universal condemnation; gratefulness to God is for his giving of life rather than an idiosyncratic rescue of a few from the flames.

[robvalue]

Here is my links page, which will lead you to all my favourite places/channels where those videos and cartoons from from:

http://robvalue.wix.com/atheism#!links/cd1k

Steve Shives reviews a lot of books, I've listened to him dissecting some of Ray Comfort like you mention. Oh boy, it's pretty close between Comfort and Gallups for straight up ignorant garbage.

[Joshua martin pryce]

a soul that turns away from god is a soul that turns away from god. but children would make it to heaven, babies definately get saved. if they have sense and there were choices that they could of made and they didnt choose god then yeh they would went to hell. god would of showed them mercy in hell depending on chances and ability. if you love your loved ones you will teach them about following the god of moses.

Mod edit, Becca:  Please don't attribute quotes to people who didn't say them.

[FatAndFaithless]

Geez..formatting dude. And from your only other post on the forum, I gather that your God just sends people to hell for not believing in him, regardless of how good of a person they are.

[LastPoet]

If there is a god, he should send you to hell for bad quote placement and attribution. You and the MyBB dudes that made the new default reply boxes

[Drich]

So let us for a moment imagine God is real, and a theist dies and goes to heaven. Now imagine 30 or so years later, the child of that theist, who ended up being an atheist, dies and gets sent to hell for his non-belief.

From now until the end of time your child, whom you cherished and adored from the moment they were born, whom you would literally give your own life for, will be tortured and tormented in ways that are incomprehensible to the mind. They will never escape, and God will never change his mind, so their suffering will be as eternal as your own afterlife. You will never see your own child again, and you know that every minute of every day, they are in indescribable agony.

My question is...what would theists think of the God who not only let this happen, but specifically planned it as part of his grand scheme for humanity? How would that effect your love for God and your trust in him? I am extremely curious to know.

Truly in the 'grand scheme' a child is not the off spring or 'piece/part' of you that we have come to believe them to be.. A child is the vessal that houses the next generation of 'living souls.' Which in essence are all of God's offspring/children not ours. our children in the grand scheme are our brother and sister souls when view through God's eyes, and our children are not apart of us/soul, in the same way as they are in life/through our body's DNA.

 If one loves God with all of His being, and his brother does not, or even worse hates God and His followers, then what does it matter if that brother was born in to your house hold in this life or in a ISIS house hold? Shouldn't God have final say as to which one of us receives his blessings and which ones do not?

[Iroscato]

So let us for a moment imagine God is real, and a theist dies and goes to heaven. Now imagine 30 or so years later, the child of that theist, who ended up being an atheist, dies and gets sent to hell for his non-belief.

From now until the end of time your child, whom you cherished and adored from the moment they were born, whom you would literally give your own life for, will be tortured and tormented in ways that are incomprehensible to the mind. They will never escape, and God will never change his mind, so their suffering will be as eternal as your own afterlife. You will never see your own child again, and you know that every minute of every day, they are in indescribable agony.

My question is...what would theists think of the God who not only let this happen, but specifically planned it as part of his grand scheme for humanity? How would that effect your love for God and your trust in him? I am extremely curious to know.

Truly in the 'grand scheme' a child is not the off spring or 'piece/part' of you that we have come to believe them to be.. A child is the vessal that houses the next generation of 'living souls.' Which in essence are all of God's offspring/children not ours. our children in the grand scheme are our brother and sister souls when view through God's eyes, and our children are not apart of us/soul, in the same way as they are in life/through our body's DNA.

 If one loves God with all of His being, and his brother does not, or even worse hates God and His followers, then what does it matter if that brother was born in to your house hold in this life or in a ISIS house hold? Shouldn't God have final say as to which one of us receives his blessings and which ones do not?

So you're saying essentially you place the authority if God over the love of your own children.
This is exactly my problem with religion, or one of them.

[Drich]

Truly in the 'grand scheme' a child is not the off spring or 'piece/part' of you that we have come to believe them to be.. A child is the vessal that houses the next generation of 'living souls.' Which in essence are all of God's offspring/children not ours. our children in the grand scheme are our brother and sister souls when view through God's eyes, and our children are not apart of us/soul, in the same way as they are in life/through our body's DNA.

 If one loves God with all of His being, and his brother does not, or even worse hates God and His followers, then what does it matter if that brother was born in to your house hold in this life or in a ISIS house hold? Shouldn't God have final say as to which one of us receives his blessings and which ones do not?

So you're saying essentially you place the authority if God over the love of your own children.
This is exactly my problem with religion, or one of them.

That's the thing sport. They are not your Children. What you contribute to that being life is the genetic material that will die when that soul moves on to eternity. What moves on has nothing to do with you. That soul is the product of God. At best you may consider that being or Soul a brother or sister (if that even matters anymore.) So again "In The GRAND SCHEME Of Things" What does it matter if a kindred Spirit (literally, because the spirit/soul part that gets sent to heaven or hell is not of you and therefore is not a child of yours) So what does it matter if that Spirit/soul lives with you for a 20 or maybe 30 year span out of eternity? Let me rephrase: What if an ISIS member lived with you that long and after 30 years decided that he was going to blow up the next super bowl or Boston Marathon and machine gun down as many people as he could before they stopped him? Would you be one of those D-bag parents who thinks his d-bag kid can do no wrong no matter what kind of monster he turns out to be, ( Dzhokhar Tsarnaev) or will you Stand for what is right, and Stand aside when True Justice and Accountablity comes a knocking?

What gets me about your question is either you can not seem to fathom that you kid could be a monster deserving Hell, or the fact that the one judging will judge know ALL the facts, thoughts and deeds of our lives, leaving nothing to chance or guestimations.

Our final judgements will be complete and beyond fair, what's more we will know without doubt that our sentence is indeed just. Even if we are not fans of true justice, nor it's consenquence.

[Minimalist]

They are not your Children.

Thanks for once again demonstrating that xtians are dumber than ice-cold shit.