Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

[Ace]

The World population was estimated to be around 450 million when the black death hit.

Not including Russia, the population of the 8 most populated European countries is greater now than the estimated world population then.

I said Europee, as in the European regions, has never regained its number after the black death. Europe's population not the worlds, both before and after the event. The Black Death killed about 50 million people in the 14th century. Around 60% per cent of Europe's entire population.

Did not included the many Asia and Russia, with the Europeans, that died also from the black death.

[Aristocatt]

Lets do some math to explain why you are wrong.

If Europe lost 50 million people, and that was 60% of its population, then Europe had around 83 Million People.

If the Population of the 8 most populated European countries(not including Russia) is greater than the world population, that means that the total population Growth of Europe since just before the black death is atleast:
450-83

Which means the European population has grown by 367 Million.

367 Million is more than 7x the amount of people that you are claiming died in the black plague.

[Ace]

Ace, you have successfully misunderstood my entire argument.

My argument is that this idea of homosexuals being bad because they could cause extinction is dumb.  I am using the basis of extinction from sexual orientation to show that every sexual orientation has the potential to destroy humanity.

HAHA Thank's I was just going to ask you that. I was trying to look for the beginning of the argument to see what was who's position.

Ok, got the point and. . . ? . . . ? . . .?

Hmm. . . I can see were it would be bad unto its self, if it can not produce its self, it is done with. So yea that is fucked.
As a hole, i can see were it dose not add to the numbers of people.
But I am not sure how that has to do with rights no one is saying they have no right.

I don't think Anima was saying that is why they should not have rights. Only their importance in the nature of the human race. The rights part of the argument has disappear in this discussion between you two because of each of you trying to define social or natures importance of its presents.
At lest that is what I got from the reading.

[Iroscato]

Yes it is a large world issue. And I also hate to tell you that Europe alone has not ever gotten back to its population since the Black Death. Just about 3 or 4 months ago it was stated that the Jews population is almost achieved their numbers before the Holocaust. Both India and China are starting to have an disproportion of the male to female ratio were they are liking numbers in girls.

Those numbers can only grow be hetero fucking. Sorry.

You will of course provide sources for your first statement.

[Aristocatt]

It's all good. I have been responding sporadically for about 40+ pages now so it is hard to keep up!

The topic of this thread is "Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argument". Anima's point is largely related to why as a society we should not want to encourage homosexuality.

[Ace]

[Ace]

It's all good.  I have been responding sporadically for about 40+ pages now so it is hard to keep up!

The topic of this thread is "Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argument".  Anima's point is largely related to why as a society we should not want to encourage homosexuality.

Hmm ok got you.

[Aristocatt]

Personally my position is that this whole extinction debate is silly, even if the argument itself was not incoherent.  We are not likely at risk of going extinct anytime soon, and pondering about the possibilities only distracts us from building a stronger society today.  Building a stronger society today will help us prevent any of the billions of ways that extinction could come to us.  Acting aggressive toward any group of people because of the minute possibility that they could contribute to the extinction of the world only makes them less interested in participating in our society.  The more people that are happily participating in our society, the stronger a society we can build.  And as such, we will be less likely to go extinct in the future.


Beyond the extinction issue, I wish I was pansexual to be honest.  Love and marriage can help provide both financial security, and domestication.  People who have something to live for are more likely to take care of themselves, and leading a healthy life/an educated life seems like the best formula for building a better society.  Broadening the pool of people that you can be intimate with just means that you have a higher probability of finding one you can be intimate with.

[Anima]

[Aristocatt]

Try being honest with your statistics, and I will be able to take them seriously.

The wiki page claims that the total death count across the world was between 75-430 million.  Not in Europe alone.
You also seem to be so interested in being right about something that you fail to understand why 430 million is listed as a possibility.
Let's check the citations!
Oh wait, the citation that is supposed to list 430 million deaths is being cited from a fucking article that doesn't exist anymore.
Maybe a quick google search will help.  Second result = information about ebola.

I understand the discrepancy we are having between the total population of the 8 biggest European countries.  
I was adding turkey into mine, which actually is not reasonable in hindsight, for that I am sorry, I didn't realize I had done that.  But You also removed Ukraine and Romania which is not reasonable.
Either way since you wanted to use wikipedia as a source, of the 3 citations for the scope of the black plague, 200 million is the highest estimate used.
Even with your slightly dishonest representation of European countries we have 304 > 200(world deaths, not European deaths)  
So from this perspective not only has Europe bounced back, but it has made enough babies on it's own to account for the whole worlds loss of life.

If we are going to cherry pick random wikipedia quotes without reference to how likely they are we can do that to.

"It is estimated that between one-quarter and one-third of the European population (20 million people) died from the outbreak between 1348 and 1350."

"Contemporary observers, such as Jean Froissart, estimated the toll to be one-third—less an accurate assessment than an allusion to the Book of Revelation meant to suggest the scope of the plague.[13] Many rural villages were depopulated, mostly the smaller communities, as the few survivors fled to larger towns and cities leaving behind abandoned villages."