Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

[Longhorn]

I can't tell if he's serious or being facetious

A child's brain is in the process of development. They begin reasoning logically at the age of 12. A child cannot make an informed decision about sex, because they lack the mental capacity to understand it.


And you have yet to establish why you're equating adults with children.

Don't bother though -_-

[LastPoet]

[Anima]

I can't tell if he's serious or being facetious

A child's brain is in the process of development.  They begin reasoning logically at the age of 12. A child cannot make an informed decision about sex, because they lack the mental capacity to understand it.

Sources to back that up? I have meet some rather rational 11 year olds. I decided what I was going to do with my life when I was 10 years old (and I am still on that plan. I confess my fiancee is much hotter than I initially planned for. You are not going to believe this red beard... She and most other people think I am very funny and not just funny looking). I have a friend who contemplated the impact and repercussions of suicide at age 7. It was a defining moment in his life that he talks about all the time.

And you have yet to establish why you're equating adults with children.

Don't bother though -_-

Because I do not agree with oppression of children by adults. Why should they be denied their fundamental right to freedom of choice and expression simply because their parents find what they choose or do icky? You do not like their choices; fine do not make them, but that is no reason why you get to push your views of what is or is not a good choice on them.

or

For the same reason anyone equates two things which are not equal. To utilize false equivalency to then make an argument that since the things are the same in one regard they should have the same rights!

[Redbeard The Pink]

10 year olds do not have the mental capacity to give informed consent. Animals cannot communicate consent.

Jesus cocksucking Christ.

You cannot equal consenting adults to an adult and a child or an adult and an animal. Stop. It makes you look like a fucking idiot.

Really?  Half of the country does not have the mental capacity to give informed consent.  They sign contracts with legal language the do not understand and agree to mortgages they cannot afford based on math they cannot understand.  

Now for the 5th time at least:

1.  The legal age of consent is arbitrary we all agreed it was 13 years old at one time and there is no reason why we may not agree it is higher or lower than 18 in the future, but why should they be forced to conform to society's norms on when they are mature enough to consent or not?  

2.  What constitutes consent varies from state to state.  With that said it is generally held consent may be denoted explicitly by written or verbal expression (this is generally applicable in bilateral contracts) or implicitly by conduct (generally applicable in unilateral contracts) or in the event of unconsciousness a reasonable assumption the other party would consent (this one generally comes into play when a doctor is performing surgery for X; notice and takes care of Y while they are in there).

3.  Children may consent to the exercise of a fundamental right at 5 years of age or older.  If we are going to argue marriage and exercising of sexual identity is a fundamental right, then guess what.  

4.  Children may also enter into contracts with adults.  It is even for this reason that if a child may show they have contracted for necessities and their own security they may be emancipated from their parents under the age of 18.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors, http://www.newser.com/story/168574/11-ch...ation.html  You will see several emancipated themselves to avoid child labor laws.

Would you like to present your argument for why a child's consent choice is less than an "adults"?  Or are you just assuming the continued stigmatization of children's decisions is okay?

The simple and practical fact is that children of certain ages do not show evidence of having the understanding and mental capacity to make informed decisions on certain topics. Because of the evidence that this is the case, modern pluralistic societies have determined that the age of consent for sexual and marriage relationships should be in the late teens (at the youngest), and that decisions on how that right is to be exercised must be reserved for when the person reaches that age. Not every fundamental right has the same age of exercise, and with good reason. We've pretty much already been over this, too.

In the case of emancipated minors, the situation is similar. The age at which minors can emancipate themselves is generally 16 or 17, again recognizing that this is probably the earliest age at which adult decisions are even remotely possible. I think it's 14 in California, but let's face it, California can be kind of insane. Nobody is pushing for 10-year-olds to be able to emancipate themselves, and no right-minded person would, and even if they did the rest of society would probably think that's a dumb idea and nix it.

You have no evidence of your claims. Pro-homosexual legislation has not led to legalized bestial or child marriages in any country. Homosexual behavior has never been even a minor contributing factor to the decline or extinction of any species we know of. Until you can prove the contrary, your argument is from hypothetical consequences that we have no reason to suspect will ever come to pass.

[Longhorn]

Sources to back that up?  I have meet some rather rational 11 year olds.  I decided what I was going to do with my life when I was 10 years old (and I am still on that plan.  I confess my fiancee is much hotter than I initially planned for.  You are not going to believe this red beard...  She and most other people think I am very funny and not just funny looking).  I have a friend who contemplated the impact and repercussions of suicide at age 7.  It was a defining moment in his life that he talks about all the time.

Are you kidding? You think I'm just saying that?

It's entirely possible. Slightly misremembered, though it has no effect on the point I was making. Ages 7-11 for logical thinking, 12 and up for abstract thinking.

http://psychology.jrank.org/pages/388/Lo...nking.html
http://www.learningrx.com/4-cognitive-st...nt-faq.htm
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1161997?seq=...b_contents

enough?

Because I do not agree with oppression of children by adults.  Why should they be denied their fundamental right to freedom of choice and expression simply because their parents find what they choose or do icky?  You do not like their choices; fine do not make them, but that is no reason why you get to push your views of what is or is not a good choice on them.

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For the same reason anyone equates two things which are not equal.  To utilize false equivalency to then make an argument that since the things are the same in one regard they should have the same rights!

Why is heterosexual sex not equal to homosexual sex? Why are heterosexual relationship not equal to homosexual relationship?

Why is the gender composition important? What impact does it have on the relationship?

With sources to back that up, please -_-

[Ace]

10 year olds do not have the mental capacity to give informed consent. Animals cannot communicate consent.

Jesus cocksucking Christ.

You cannot equal consenting adults to an adult and a child or an adult and an animal. Stop. It makes you look like a fucking idiot.

10 year olds do not have the mental capacity to give informed consent. Animals cannot communicate consent.

Jesus cocksucking Christ.

You cannot equal consenting adults to an adult and a child or an adult and an animal. Stop. It makes you look like a fucking idiot.

Dude...I tried. Either he's willfully ignorant of this fact even when it's presented to him, or he's pretending to be because it would be devastating to his argument to acknowledge it.

This board has backed polygamy and adult incest and yet it finds child sex bad, why? I hate to break it to you (like it or not, beside what you think is ewwww or is very distasteful to your liking, it is not a reason to make it illegal) Children are having sex right now,wake up and get use to it. Many are engaging in "illegal relationship" (underage and adults) right now. Those in these relationships do not even care care what anyone thinks or has anything to say to them. Why? Because it is their body, and there right to chooses.

If consent is the only reason (a single reason) that separates what is seen as an acceptable relationship and what is not. It has been said on this broad, then both polygamy and adult incest, it should be allowed if they can legally consent.

"Consent, Consent , Consent, Consent , Consent." is the cheer every single time when discussing sexual activity that should not be allowed. . . . . Consent is all that is needed. If that is true and what make something wrong bad then guess what?
There is nothing but age restricting laws that are stopping kids and adults from being together.

[Ace]

HAHAHAHAHA

[LastPoet]

This board has backed polygamy and adult insist and yet it finds child sex bad, why?

I incest you clarify this to me

[Ace]

A child's brain is in the process of development.  They begin reasoning logically at the age of 12. A child cannot make an informed decision about sex, because they lack the mental capacity to understand it.

Now we can argue the child may not have the mental capacity to understand what they are engaging in, however that argument its self is not stopping at all form young teens and kids that are already engaging in sex to keep engaging. In In fact many have argued that they are very much aware what they are doing and should be given the right to decide to do so.

Interestingly how when it comes to the child having sex we say they do not have the mental comprehension. Yet, we give children the right to engage in some very, very, adult things. For example in Sweden for example a child at the age of 6 or 7 can make a medical decision to be given assistant suicide. In some states teens as young as 15 can decide to have an abortion without the connect of their parents. And as stated before, kids can own a gun at the age of 5. So now the question becomes that if we can allow children to make life and death, adult, and dangerous decision now on some very heavy issues that can be argued are way more complected then sex. What is reason to say no for them to decided any other right to their own body?

[Ace]

This board has backed polygamy and adult insist and yet it finds child sex bad, why?

I incest you clarify this to me

which part, . . .sorry miss read, got you. :-)