Supreme Court Same Sex Marriage Argumet

[robvalue]

Taboos like that really annoy me, because it makes it hard to have a sensible discussion on that topic with some people. They either freak out, or assume there is something wrong with me for daring to talk about it. So mostly, I don't even bother trying unless I'm pretty sure the person is open minded enough.

[Regina]

I think even if it's a consenting adult having sex with their parents, it's still a grey area on whether it's abuse or not. It's about power dynamics, your parents are still your parents even when you are an adult. Same can also be said about someone having sex with a much older sibling.

As much as, personally, the thought of incest with my family disgusts me, I'm not that against it on "moral" grounds, there's no victim if everyone involved is a consenting adult. I do think it should still be strongly discouraged though, especially due to the risk of birth defects if the female party becomes pregnant.

[FatAndFaithless]

I think even if it's a consenting adult having sex with their parents, it's still a grey area on whether it's abuse or not. It's about power dynamics, your parents are still your parents even when you are an adult. Same can also be said about someone having sex with a much older sibling.

As much as, personally, the thought of incest with my family disgusts me, I'm not that against it on "moral" grounds, there's no victim if everyone involved is a consenting adult. I do think it should still be strongly discouraged though, especially due to the risk of birth defects if the female party becomes pregnant.

If birth defects are reason to discourage certain relations, should we discourage sex between unrelated people whose genes predispose their offspring to certain disorders? (Down syndrome, sickle cell anemia, etc)

Additionally, I'm not quite sure how these two views comport.

I think even if it's a consenting adult having sex with their parents, it's still a grey area on whether it's abuse or not.

and

there's no victim if everyone involved is a consenting adult.

[Anima]

[FatAndFaithless]

Can you link it again? I get enough of your bullshit the first time around and I'll be damned if I go slopping through your old posts to find a link that you easily could've copy pasted.

[Anima]

Can you link it again?  I get enough of your bullshit the first time around and I'll be damned if I go slopping through your old posts to find a link that you easily could've copy pasted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

[FatAndFaithless]

Can you link it again?  I get enough of your bullshit the first time around and I'll be damned if I go slopping through your old posts to find a link that you easily could've copy pasted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

I read the sections on consenting adults. Where in there does it assert anything damaging about it?

[Nope]

Can you link it again?  I get enough of your bullshit the first time around and I'll be damned if I go slopping through your old posts to find a link that you easily could've copy pasted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

Where exactly in that article does it say that sex between consenting adults can cause harm? Can you perhaps quote that section of the article on this thread. I can't find it but maybe I overlooked it 

[Nope]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest

I read the sections on consenting adults.  Where in there does it assert anything damaging about it?

Perhaps he means this quote under siblings. The article is referring to non consensual activity among children

Between childhood siblings[edit]


Childhood sibling–sibling incest is considered to be widespread but rarely reported.[59] Sibling-sibling incest becomes child-on-child sexual abuse when it occurs without consent, without equality, or as a result of coercion. In this form, it is believed to be the most common form of intrafamilial abuse.[82] The most commonly reported form of abusive sibling incest is abuse of a younger sibling by an older sibling.[59] A 2006 study showed a large portion of adults who experienced sibling incest abuse have distorted or disturbed beliefs (such as that the act was "normal") both about their own experience and the subject of sexual abuse in general.[83]
Sibling abusive incest is most prevalent in families where one or both parents are often absent or emotionally unavailable, with the abusive siblings using incest as a way to assert their power over a weaker sibling.[84] Absence of the father in particular has been found to be a significant element of most cases of sexual abuse of female children by a brother.[85] The damaging effects on both childhood development and adult symptoms resulting from brother–sister sexual abuse are similar to the effects of father–daughter, including substance abuse, depression, suicidality, and eating disorders.[85][86]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#cite_note-cyr-86][/url]

[FatAndFaithless]

I read the sections on consenting adults.  Where in there does it assert anything damaging about it?

Perhaps he means this quote under siblings. The article is referring to non consensual activity among children

Between childhood siblings[edit]


Childhood sibling–sibling incest is considered to be widespread but rarely reported.[59] Sibling-sibling incest becomes child-on-child sexual abuse when it occurs without consent, without equality, or as a result of coercion. In this form, it is believed to be the most common form of intrafamilial abuse.[82] The most commonly reported form of abusive sibling incest is abuse of a younger sibling by an older sibling.[59] A 2006 study showed a large portion of adults who experienced sibling incest abuse have distorted or disturbed beliefs (such as that the act was "normal") both about their own experience and the subject of sexual abuse in general.[83]
Sibling abusive incest is most prevalent in families where one or both parents are often absent or emotionally unavailable, with the abusive siblings using incest as a way to assert their power over a weaker sibling.[84] Absence of the father in particular has been found to be a significant element of most cases of sexual abuse of female children by a brother.[85] The damaging effects on both childhood development and adult symptoms resulting from brother–sister sexual abuse are similar to the effects of father–daughter, including substance abuse, depression, suicidality, and eating disorders.[85][86]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#cite_note-cyr-86][/url]

So...irrelevant to the point of consenting adults? Wouldn't be surprised if that's what he's referring to, but it's not consenting adults.