Ban Lucifer

[Mental Outlaw]

So apparently there are 12k pissed off conservative Christian moms that want to ban this show called lucifer that is suppose to be airing on Fox in 2016.  This video contains more detail.  This reminds me of the same crap that went down when I was a kid and people were getting mad about DBZ and other violent cartoons being on Cartoon network.  When will these people realize that media containing violence and sex doesn't make people any more violent or sexual?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADVC5WscdU

[Secular Elf]

First off, I think it is hilarious that a network whose hallmark and flagship programming is FOX NEWS (Conservative Christian Propaganda) would actually air a show about Lucier/Satan/The Devil as one of its newest drama series.  What were they thinking?  Oh yeah--their bottom line is a thing called ratings.

Secondly, in Judaism, the word found in the Torah translated as "Satan" is ha-satan, "the satan."  In other words, it is not a proper name, but a title, translated as "the adversary."  In other words, the satan is an angel, the right-hand of God, one of the Host of Heaven.  To quote from an essay I wrote about where Christian doctrines come from:

The Hebrew word mal'akh means “one who is sent” or “messenger” and is used in reference to either human or other beings. In Judaic mythology, these messengers, when sent from Yahweh, are by necessity spiritual beings on an order above humanity. Other beings are classified that are distinguished from Mal'akhim (-im being the plural suffix in Hebrew): Irinim (“Watchers”/High Angels), Cherubim (Mighty Ones), Sarim (Princes), Seraphim (Fiery Ones), Chayyot ([Holy] Creatures), amd Ofanim (Wheels). Collectively they are called Tzeva (Host), B'nai Elim (Sons of God), and Kedoshim (Holy Ones). Altogether they constitute an Adat El (Council of God), a divine assembly.

...The concept of fallen angels seems to have come from Judaism, namely the Essenes. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain texts which make reference to “sons of God” and non-canonical Jewish literature identifies them as fallen angels. The Nephilim mentioned in Genesis were in earlier Jewish mythology identified as the offspring of the union of the “sons of God” and human women. This is not unique or unusal in the myths of other peoples. Greek mythology, for example is full of stories where gods mate with humans to result in demi-god heroes, such as Hercules and Ajax...

The word satan does exist in Hebrew, and occurs alone (without definite articles) three times in the Torah/Old Testament (Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, and Psalms 109:6). The word means primarily “to obstruct, oppose.” But when the word is paired with the definite articled ha-, “the”(which it does 13 times in the Masoretic Text), it is Ha-Satan, “the accuser” or “the adversery.” In Hebrew this indicates that “the adversay” is a title bestowed upon a being, as opposed to being the name of a being. In Judaism it is not a proper name, thus the being would be referred to as “the satan.” So the concept of Satan within Judaism is very different from the Christian concept of Satan as God's opponent. In Jewish thought, Ha-Satan is an angel whose mission is to add difficulty, challenges, and growth experiences in life. The idea that there exists a being capable of setting itself up as Yahweh's opponent is polytheistic. For religious Jews, Ha-Satan is not a god. Rather, The Adversary is Yahweh's servant, one of the Tzeva, not his enemy.

The modern Christian concept of a devil who is God's enemy comes from three main sources: the dualism of Zoroastrianism (the good god Ahura Mazda and his opponent the evil god Ahriman), and a similar concept in ancient Egyptian religion (the battle between Horus and Set), and ancient Greek religion (the god Hades as ruler of the underworld [Christian Hell]).

[LastPoet]

This happens in the wonderland called America. I never been to such place, so such dumbfuckery could be just trolling. god, please make it so.

[Chad32]

They're making a movie where Lucifer is painted in a somewhat sympathetic light? OMG blasphemy! Not that it's very hard to do, when the other guy is such a horrible monster.

[Longhorn]

B-but satan is a nice guy, it's about time he got his own reality show

[Chad32]

I wonder if the black guy is supposed to be Michael or Gabriel. Also is this movie going to present Lucifer as a loyal servant of Yahweh? Not only is he torturing souls in hell, but apparently he's the only one actually keeping them in there.

[vorlon13]

God doesn't want to get his hands dirty eternally tormenting sinners so he ordered Satan to do the dirty work. Hey, somebody has got to pound all that broken glass up all those tender butt holes !! Satan steps up to the plate and gets the job done and ever since, gets dissed for doing all the filthy shit that needs done, and at God's behest too !!!!

If Satan really wanted to rebel from God, he'd shut off the heat in hell and have a big ol' party down there.

[Chad32]

There is a common belief that satan is in charge of tormenting people in hell, like an evil Hades, though I'm pretty sure that's not canon. It doesn't really make sense. Either he's doing it because Yahweh tells him to, which makes Yahweh the super evil one, or he's just doing it for cartoonishly evil reasons. Because you have to make a choice between one sick piece of work, and another sick piece of work.

[LastPoet]

Bottom line, It's stupid.

What I have trouble is how can people in this day & age remotely believe such crap. It scares the shit out of me.

[zebo-the-fat]

But Lucifer was an angel once.... so he must be good!