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Ban Lucifer
#21
RE: Ban Lucifer
Yeah, sadly I'm serious. I think it was England, I'll check with my wife, she told me about it.

There is this increasing trend of parents handing over "raising their kids" to the schools. Parenting has gone to shit. I'm now really surprised when I see an instance of good parenting.
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#22
RE: Ban Lucifer
(June 5, 2015 at 12:05 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, sadly I'm serious. I think it was England, I'll check with my wife, she told me about it.

There is this increasing trend of parents handing over "raising their kids" to the schools. Parenting has gone to shit. I'm now really surprised when I see an instance of good parenting.

Wow I thought American education was messed up, why can't more countries just model Denmark's education system.
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#23
RE: Ban Lucifer
(June 2, 2015 at 12:56 pm)Secular Elf Wrote: First off, I think it is hilarious that a network whose hallmark and flagship programming is FOX NEWS (Conservative Christian Propaganda) would actually air a show about Lucier/Satan/The Devil as one of its newest drama series.  What were they thinking?  Oh yeah--their bottom line is a thing called ratings.

IMHO they do it so they have the rights and can then shut it down.
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#24
RE: Ban Lucifer
I checked with my wife, and yeah, the potty training story is correct and in England. She says some schools have had to introduce a policy saying children must be able to use the toilet and eat with a knife and fork before being admitted! The parents had decided these things were the school's responsibility.

Shocking, what human fuck ups. I wonder what exactly the parents have been doing in all that time until they get to school age? Spending child benefit on booze and fags.
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#25
RE: Ban Lucifer
Fox News is a separate cable channel if owned by the same guy. I've never seen them hesitate to sperate their politics from their drama programing.
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#26
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(June 4, 2015 at 1:46 pm)robvalue Wrote: Blaming the parents seems to be like the supernatural for science. Look everywhere else you possibly can first, and even then, you can't assume it's the parents.

Fucking codpieces.

I've heard stories about children who have started school but their parents haven't taught them how to use a toilet and they are still in nappies. Seriously Sad

I have two 7 year olds (both finishing up first grade this month) in my girl scout troop who still wear pull-up training pants.  I found out when we took an overnight trip to the aquarium in March, and both moms were telling me they were concerned about their kids staying overnight there because of it.
Both girls are otherwise normal, I mean, they aren't autistic or mentally challenged in any way.  They are going to be in second grade in a few months, and still wearing training potty pants!

This is why I home school.  Not for religious reasons or because we are elitist or anything, but because our local school is just a big babysitting service.  Seriously, I'm constantly shocked and alarmed at what other people find acceptable "parenting".

Also, this show looks kind of interesting to me.  I'll give it a try.  I want to see Lucifer portrayed as, well if not the good guy, at least not the bad guy.
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#27
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I fail to see the corilation between a parent failing at potty training and home school vs public school.

Did you home school because your kids aren't potty trained? Or did you home school because you felt the lack of potty training in public schools was a problem? I am at a complete loss over your reasoning. How does a pair of unpotty trained kids figure into your homeschooling choice?

Also this show looks a bit soap mixed with perry maison. We shall see.
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#28
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(June 7, 2015 at 12:32 am)Goosebump Wrote: I fail to see the corilation between a parent failing at potty training and home school vs public school.

Did you home school because your kids aren't potty trained? Or did you home school because you felt the lack of potty training in public schools was a problem? I am at a complete loss over your reasoning. How does a pair of unpotty trained kids figure into your homeschooling choice?

Also this show looks a bit soap mixed with perry maison. We shall see.

Sorry, I didn't really make a very clear line of reasoning.

I just started homeschooling in October of last year.  I realize there is a lot of stigma around it, one of the reasons I put it off for so long. People tend to get a bad impression just hearing those words, and they get very judgmental.  So by admitting I do it here, openly, I guess I'm asking for a lot of abuse.   

But let me try and be clearer.
I homeschool because the local school has classes of about 30 kids each, and the teachers aren't really equipped to handle that many kids, especially when a large portion of them have behavior issues (this is the bad parenting bit). They are mostly good kids, I think, being slowly turned into not so good kids.  
One mother is banned form the school property because she has pending homicide charges from the death of another child.....I'm not freaking joking.  And she barges onto school property to get one of her 5 offspring about once a week anyway.  I've spoken to 3 different teachers who have quit in the last 2 years for basically the same reason I pulled my kid out of there.

Yes, there are kids who literally pee on the carpet still in 2nd grade. There was hitting, bullying, cops called when a 1st grader ran away from school, and another time a kid locked themselves in the bathroom. This kid's parents (and I feel terrible for that kid), were outspoken in their belief that the problem was not enough Jesus in the classroom.

My kid went there for 2 years (Kinder and 1st), and I volunteered often, and I saw a failing school, and no amount of my volunteering was fixing it.  I did try to help, it's not as if I just gave in right away.  But really, my kid was practically falling asleep from boredom as the teacher spent a full hour on a single subtraction problem. 
 In a class that size in the area we are in, the teacher must teach to bottom of the class. The middle and even the brightest kids often got labeled as troublemakers for acting out of boredom.  My kid was not labeled as a trouble child (yet), but I wasn't going to sit on my bum while the school and bad examples from other kids turned her into one.

And yes, this has a huge amount to do with bad parenting because the vast majority of parents I speak to around this craphole of a town are negative about education in general, and derisive about reading to their kids. They let the TV, the computer, and the school raise their children for them, then complain when their child cannot read at their own grade level.  My child still gets TV and computer games, I'm no Nazi, it just isn't my babysitting service.
 
I have nothing against public schooling in general (I rather enjoyed the 2 PS I attended as a kid), and I hope to get my kid back into a (decent) PS as soon as we move to a new school district (that will probably be 4th grade for her), but after some of the things I witnessed at the school in the district we are in, in person, there was no way I was letting my kid stay there longer.
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#29
RE: Ban Lucifer
(June 7, 2015 at 12:32 am)Goosebump Wrote: I fail to see the corilation between a parent failing at potty training and home school vs public school.

Did you home school because your kids aren't potty trained? Or did you home school because you felt the lack of potty training in public schools was a problem? I am at a complete loss over your reasoning. How does a pair of unpotty trained kids figure into your homeschooling choice?

Also this show looks a bit soap mixed with perry maison. We shall see.

Oh, and parents don't fail at potty training.  They just don't even try anymore.  They put them in Pull-ups and wait for them to learn to do it themselves, even if that's age 12.  That's what Robo was talking about up there in the thread.  Schools are getting kids that can't do basic tasks (like going potty and feeding themselves) that should be normal for school age kids.   And if the kids parents have't bothered to teach them how to potty in a restroom by age 7 or 8, how much time do you think they spend on other things, like helping them count or learn their letters?  How much harder do yo uthink this makes the teachers job?

This hurts ALL the kids who attend that school, because the teacher then has to spend more time with the child who can't do the basic tasks, instead of, you know, teaching the subject material. 

So in a nutshell, yes, parents who refuse to potty train their kids contribute to my reasoning for home schooling.  I hope that made sense....at least it was shorterr than my previous post. 
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#30
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Public school on the whole is a widely subjective experience. I've had the privilege or misfortune to witness rural well to do and inner city Philadelphia public school systems. My two younger siblings were homeschooled after 6th grade. I myself am a highschool drop out which led to my siblings' homeschooling.

If nothing else I can relate a little to what your facing. But what is this stigmata against home schooling? I'm unaware of it... Should this be another thread?
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