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Interview with a Jovo
#81
RE: Interview with a Jovo
The link doesn't work for me

Also, there are people trying to push creationism into schools to replace evolution, Drich. Fucking creationism. You're gonna have a hard time proving your delusions of persecution are anything more than your imagination.
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#82
RE: Interview with a Jovo
(June 12, 2015 at 1:44 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: The link doesn't work for me

Also, there are people trying to push creationism into schools to replace evolution, Drich. Fucking creationism. You're gonna have a hard time proving your delusions of persecution are anything more than your imagination.

Lol, so?

My understaning of creationism encompasses anything 'evolutionist' can come up with, so what does it matter to me and mine what is the official version taught in public schools?
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#83
RE: Interview with a Jovo
(June 12, 2015 at 2:16 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 12, 2015 at 1:44 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: The link doesn't work for me

Also, there are people trying to push creationism into schools to replace evolution, Drich. Fucking creationism. You're gonna have a hard time proving your delusions of persecution are anything more than your imagination.

Lol, so?

My understaning of creationism encompasses anything 'evolutionist' can come up with, so what does it matter to me and mine what is the official version taught in public schools?

'Lol so?' REALLY?

Creationism is a strictly religious idea, and it does not encompass the theory of evolution, it contradicts it directly. You have just asserted that a teacher wearing a cross would be frowned upon, yet chose to completely ignore that there are initiatives to teach children an entirely unscientific religious doctrine instead of actual science. No Drich, despite how much you want it to be true, christians are not persecuted or frowned upon, not in today's predominantly christian society.
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#84
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(June 12, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:and indeed there is no legal grounds for citing discrimination based on religious grounds in either EU/UK based on the information thus presented.

Certainly a far more civilized and intelligent way of doing things than having to placate the farcical beliefs of morons like Drippy.

Anything that makes that guy angry makes me happy ^_^ Its good that the only emotion derived is happiness and a sense of nonchalance.
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#85
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#86
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Drich and his shenanigans aside, what goes through the mind of someone who applies for a job knowing full well they don't meet the requirements by choice and still expects to get it?

It's also why I have a problem with discrimination laws controlling businesses: it gives way to suing anybody who doesn't want to hire you for discrimination. It forces employers to hire workers they don't want, for whatever reason. It's my business, and my rules, so I should be able to decide who to hire.
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#87
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(June 12, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Drich and his shenanigans aside, what goes through the mind of someone who applies for a job knowing full well they don't meet the requirements by choice and still expects to get it?

Someone who is accustomed to everyone bending over backwards to accommodate their religion.
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#88
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Thanks Nope. Interesting, haven't heard of similar situations before

I agree, the cross should be allowed as an expression of personal beliefs, and I think it's reasonable to prohibit proselytizing messages in schools, like the Jesus Saves tshirt mentioned, it's not the right institution for that sort of thing
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#89
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(June 12, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Drich and his shenanigans aside, what goes through the mind of someone who applies for a job knowing full well they don't meet the requirements by choice and still expects to get it?
Desperation, possibly. When the bills need paying, any job will do. And as I said before, the employer would be within his rights to grant her the exemption if he felt that it was worth it (ie, she was an exceptional employee and the rest of the staff could handle Sunday work without issue). But the OP explains that working on Sundays is an issue, and it's reasonable to worry that the rest of the workers could become resentful of one person getting special treatment for something that has nothing to do with the job. Hence why the laws Drich linked to speak of "reasonable" and "common" options that an employer "may" utilize; they are not required to offer scheduling exemptions if those exemptions would exacerbate the work situation.

"We can't hire you because we need people who can work the occasional Sunday" is perfectly legitimate. The only possible link to religion is that Sundays are difficult to schedule because religious observances made it a 'special day' to begin with, which ironically may be causing the shortfall that is hindering this woman's efforts to find work.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#90
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That is really sad that she may have lost out on a job due to restrictions she feels she must impose on herself due to religion.
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