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Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
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RE: Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
(June 11, 2015 at 8:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: So, we just stand back and let them fight it out, huh?
Like LittleFinger's plan, we just need to get there, afterwards, and clean the remaining trash
Popcorn

Everything comes back to Game of Thrones eventually.
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#12
RE: Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
Well, I'm sure a statue of Mary is an affront to Islam. Will the pope be victim blaming on this one and saying this is what you get when you insult someone?
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Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
"Although the Diocese condemned the act of sacrilege against the Madonna statue, it also followed the Pope’s lead by absolving Islam of any responsibility for what happened."

I'm not sure how many of the public are convinced by this sort of statement any more. Obama and Cameron amongst others are also quick to reel this one out after every reported atrocity. We'll wait a long time for a world leader to step up and say 'actually this IS because of religion' I think. I can only hope.
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RE: Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
I'm sure this will help with Italian public opinion for rescuing migrants.
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RE: Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
I'm not saying this didn't happen, but I spent the better part of the afternoon trying to find another source for this incident without having any luck. At least when it comes to serious networks, papers and magazines. One I found is a Spanish outlet, going by the headlines specialising only in criminalising immigrant and riding the christian persecution train and the second one, quoting the Spanish source, is German with the mission statement "Islamisierung stoppen, Linkstrend stoppen" (Stop Islam, stop the left).

http://michael-mannheimer.net/2015/03/12...chstuecke/
http://www.alertadigital.com/2015/01/14/...os-restos/

Has anyone bothered to read the mission statement of gatewaypundit. That it's closely related to the Breitbart crew and the tea party?
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Ah, yeah, it's definitely suspect.

Quote:Jim Hoft will receive the Breitbart Award for Excellence in Online Journalism from Americans for Prosperity Foundation in May 2016.

I can only assume that's an award for manipulating the truth to fit an agenda.
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#17
RE: Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
Oh. Looks fishy. Good catch there, abaris
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(June 11, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Oh. Looks fishy. Good catch there, abaris

I always get suspicious when something outrageous is supposed to have happened 500 kilometers from my doorstep without any of the papers, magazines and news networks reporting. Even more so, if all I get is a smashed colored Mary in the streets for an illustration.
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RE: Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
It's Perugia...and there is an Italian link

http://tuttoggi.info/statua-madonna-pres...vo/252411/


Quote:Un rosario di riparazione dopo il grave oltraggio ai danni dell’edicola votiva dedicata alla Beata Vergine Maria, celebrato dal vescovo ausiliare di Perugia-Città della Pieve, Paolo Giulietti. Questo dopo che nelle scorse ore la statua della madonna è stata letteralmente presa a calci nell’area verde curata ed attrezzata

attraverso l’autofinanziamento di diverse famiglie che abitano in via Girolamo Tilli, nella periferia sud del capoluogo umbro.
“Dobbiamo condannare questi atti di vandalismo e di maleducazione, ma non attribuirgli significati che non hanno, perché si sente parlare in questi giorni, seppur tragici e luttuosi per le azioni terroristiche che hanno colpito il cuore della vicina Francia, di episodi di intolleranza verso i cristiani della nostra citta'”: così il commento del vescovo, al termine della recita del Rosario in riparazione ad un atto sacrilego commesso ai danni dell’edicola votiva. “Il grave atto – si legge in una nota della Diocesi – è avvenuto nei giorni scorsi con l’asportazione dall’edicola della piccola statua della Madonna da parte di un gruppetto di giovani stranieri, che l’hanno spezzata in due parti per poi prenderla a calci.

Let's see if this can be translated:

Well, it can.... but how good it is remains questionable.


Quote:Madonna statue taken to soccers/Rosary of the Bishop/Update

Small group of foreign young people, breaks it in two parts in order then to take it to soccers/Giulietti, “solo vandalism”/Photo rosary and official notice Diocese

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A rosary of repair after the serious insult to the damages of the votive newspaper stand dedicated to Beata Vergine Maria, celebrated the auxiliary bishop of Perugia-City of the Pieve, Paolo Giulietti. This after in the past hours the statue of the Madonna literally is taken to soccers in the cured and equipped green area
through self-financing of various families that live in via Girolamo Tilli, in the periphery south of the Umbria chief town.
“We must condemn these actions of vandalism and maleducazione, but not attribute meanings to it that they do not have, because it is felt to speak in these days, even though tragic and luttuosi for the terrorist actions that have hit the heart of near France, of episodes of intolerance towards the Christians of our city”: so the comment of the bishop, to the term of recites of the Rosary in repair to a sacrilegious action store clerk to the damages of the votive newspaper stand. “The serious action – law in a note of the Diocese – has happened some days before with the removal from the newspaper stand of the small statue of Madonna from a small group of foreign young people, than they have broken it in two parts in order then to take it to soccers.
Today the statuette is replaced in the newspaper stand from the inhabitants of the quarter. Giulietti also has tranquilized the faithfuls. “We must recognize – it has said – that for the Islam the figure of Mary is a lot important: she is the Mother of the prophet Jesus conceived in virginity and Beata Vergine is the Sainter woman. Many Muslims come in prayer in the marian sanctuaries of the Middle East. This gesture of vandalism cannot be attributed, than as I have said goes condemned in every sense, to an episode of religious hatred. It is important not to above all feed the mutual diffidence in this moment, but it is necessary to mutual comprise ones and the others to us and helping to understand the values us of every religious experience”.
The bishop has had also words of appreciation for how much from years they strive to cure the green area of public property, but managed from private: “They guard this small sign with much cure – it has emphasized -, because they favor the aggregation in the quarters, that it is social vitality and also for being expression of love for the Mother of God, of knowledge that these signs of the vicinity of the Gentleman beside we are important and are signs of hope and also because they manifest the engagement of all a quarter for a cliché in the middle of much disinterestedness and degradation. It is beautiful to see these signs”.
Here the official official notice of the Diocese:
In the middle of much reinforced concrete and fire-bricks of the higher palaces of the city of Perugia (some are of twelve plans), where various hundreds of families live, there is a small very cured and equipped green area thanks to the private initiative of various people who live to civic the 54-70 of via Girolamo Tilli. These people have autofinanziate themselves in order to recover an abandoned public area, creating a “green and vital oasis” under their apartments, in order to be profitable receiving this quarter in the Saint Parish more Barnaba. In 2000, the year of the Great Jubilee, they have entitled “the their” green area “Park of the Madonna”, like filler the written one recorded on the base of the newspaper stand with the small statuette of the Immaculate which blessed Conception, 8 Decembers 2011. Own this marian icon has been object of a serious vandalico episode, happened some days before, to work of “a small group of people of North African origin”, so has declared some inhabitants of the palaces of via Tilli to the Saint parish priest Barnaba don Alessandro Scarda. “They have broken in two the statuette in order then to take it to soccers as if it were a ball – tells the clergyman –. Al term of “amusement” has urinated over the two pieces, than successively they are recovered, cleaned and glue. The statuette newly is placed in the newspaper stand for popular piety and the inhabitants, than periodically collect themselves in prayer in this place, have asked to recite S. Rosary in repair to the vandalico action”.
The prayer moment has been carried out in the late afternoon 9th January guided the auxiliary bishop mons. Paolo Giulietti along with the parish priest don Alessandro Scarda and more than fifty faithfuls. Mons. Giulietti, to the term of recites of S. Rosary, has said that “we must condemn these actions of vandalism and maleducazione, but not to attribute meanings to it that they do not have, because it is felt to speak in these days, even though tragic and luttuosi for the terrorist actions that they have hit to the heart of near France, of episodes of intolerance towards the Christians of our city. Meanwhile, we cannot not recall all to the respect of the religious symbols and to at best guard the places in which they are found”.
The religion enters not there with the serious episode of via Tilli, because the believing Muslems pray and venerate Virgin Mary. He has been the same auxiliary bishop has to tranquilize with regard to the faithfuls in saying: “we must recognize that for the Islam the figure of Mary is a lot important: she is the Mother of the prophet Jesus conceived in virginity and Beata Vergine is the Sainter woman also for the Muslems. Many of they – it has continued the pregannet – come in prayer in the marian sanctuaries of the Middle East. It cannot be attributed to this gesture of vandalism, than as I have said goes condemned in every sense, to an episode of religious hatred. It is important not to above all feed the mutual diffidence in this moment, but it is necessary to mutual comprise ones and the others to us and helping to understand the values us of every religious experience”.
Mons. Giulietti has had also words of appreciation for how much from years they strive to cure the “green heart” of via Tilli, where children and adults is found again in the open air for spiritual communitarian moments of amusement and: it is played, festivities of birthday and encounters of prayer in the marian month of May hold and a “station” of the Way of the Cross the Saint Friday. The “Park of the Madonna” is an example of civilization and sensibility for the places of public usefullness “to export” in other outlying areas of Perugia in order to prevent their abandonment. “I have thanked the people who guard this small sign with much cure – the auxiliary bishop has said –, because they favor the aggregation in the quarters, that it is social vitality also and expression of love for the Mother of God. We must have the knowledge that these signs of the vicinity of the Gentleman beside we, to our dwellings are important and are signs of hope. They manifest the engagement of all a quarter for the cliché in the middle of much disinterestedness and degradation. To see these signs gives pleasure”.


The story is also from January.
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RE: Muslim Immigrants Smash & Urinate on Virgin Mary Statue in Italy
(June 11, 2015 at 2:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The story is also from January.

And a much less spectacular reading than the others. The urinating part and the praying man aren't part of it. "Stranieri" as you pointed out simply means foreigners without giving them any religious affiliation, which they also point out in the article. A simple act of vandalism, reading the original text.

And what a surprise. The picture of the others is also a fake.
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