Miracle

[Longhorn]

You in the OP: there be science in the quran
You now: quran is not about science

-_-

[robvalue]

Step 1: Cut a hole in the Quran.
Step 2: Fuck the Quran.

http://youtu.be/qn7duAZjP8w

[paulpablo]

I had given you a solid proof, which you have overlooked.

“If you scan entire human history and fail to find any hint that someone had the knowledge that burning the skin to a certain extent takes away its sensitivity to feel the pain then it is a clear indication that people in the past were not aware of this fact.”

First of all you're the one trying to prove this is a miracle.  So go ahead and prove that no burns victim in ancient times ever said "It feels numb" when being asked how their injury was feeling.

1) I'm unable to scan entire human history.
2) I have no idea what kind of google search to do to find proof that people either did or didn't realize that 3rd degree burns caused numbness.  It seems more likely that they did since all it would take is for someone to ask someone else or to be told how the burn feels.
Your account relies on no one ever telling another person their burn injury felt numb, ever, since the beginning of spoken language.

[paulpablo]

Put simply you're wrong on two levels.

You're saying the quran is saying something it isn't saying.

The quran says god will burn then replace someone's skin so they may experience the torment.  The quran does not say that without skin the person will not feel the torment.  If I say to you I will kick your shins in order for you to experience torment, I'm not saying if I don't kick your shins you will not experience torment, I'm merely describing my method of inflicting torment on you.

If the quran is saying that pain is dependant on skin it's wrong because pain is sensed in other parts of the body.

An additional point is that I think your confused in your argument when you keep saying ancient people believed it was the brain or the heart that was responsible for pain.  People still now think the brain is responsible for pain, the brain picks up what the pain receptors send to the brain, in ancient times people believed it was the heart as opposed to believing it was the brain.
It's never been a question of skin or brain or heart, people have always known that burnt skin hurts, it was just a case of knowing which organ sensed the pain, the brain or the heart.

[ignoramus]

Simplified probability chart for diagnosing miracles:

90% Very common event
50% Common event
10% Rare event
1% Very rare event
0.1% Miracle (caused by my god)

Rob, you're being too generous!
A miracle is to play roulette infinitely and ONLY when a number which isn't on the wheel comes up, can that be considered a miracle.

Sounds like a loaded proposition doesn't it? It is. The mere concept of a miracle is paradoxical.

[robvalue]

I see! A new number must appear at the last moment.

Can I place a bet on such a number? What odds will you give me?

[ignoramus]

I cannot take your money!
my objective morality won't allow it! hehe

[downbeatplumb]

Simplified probability chart for diagnosing miracles:

90% Very common event
50% Common event
10% Rare event
1% Very rare event
0.1% Miracle (caused by my god)

Rob, you're being too generous!
A miracle is to play roulette infinitely and ONLY when a number which isn't on the wheel comes up, can that be considered a miracle.

Sounds like a loaded proposition doesn't it? It is. The mere concept of a miracle is paradoxical.

Indeed, the definition of a miracle is something that cannot happen, so they don't.

[ignoramus]

Guys simple easy question.
We've never seen or experienced a miracle.
How is a religious person comfortable with the fact that the impossible used to happen back in the day?
Is the indoctrination that extreme that it even glosses over these "obviously" contradictions of our physical universe?
Maybe they thought the laws of the universe were different back in those days! I'm genuinely at a loss ...
Aren't the mental gymnastics wearing them out?
Tone, pink wiz, how did you do it?

[robvalue]

I don't know. It seems like there was a certain window of opportunity where all the rules broke and everything anyone ever wrote down was somehow true.

Shame I missed it. I could have been god.