What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Cato]

Even here in the US, the age of consent in some states is 14.

Which states?

State laws
Each U.S. state (and the District of Columbia) has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17, or 18. The most common age is 16.[60]

age of consent 16 (31): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17 (8): Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, Texas, Wyoming
age of consent 18 (12): Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co...th_America

CL, you're just another apologist that will say anything regardless of its proximity to the truth if the statement buttresses your position.

I love facts; however, for those that work backwards from their conclusions, facts are a bitch.

[robvalue]

CL: I agree that is his story. Unfortunately, it requires further explanation as to why God hid from these people for a period of time while they became corrupted; and why he was powerless to enforce his will on them when he was quite happy to proclaim hundreds of other commandments including ludicrous things like woven fabrics and expected them to toe the line on fear of death.

[Catholic_Lady]

CL: Thanks very much for your answers. I'm most impressed you answered that hypothetical without any sort of dodge! And I'm impressed that you would vote with your feet. That might not sound like much to you, but there are theists who I've talked to for months who will never answer such a simple question without reams of caveats, dismissals and deflections.

I agree totally that the age of consent is subjectively moral. (Of course, I think everything is subjectively moral!) However, you say there must be some sensible limit. Of course I agree. How about the age of sexual maturity, whatever that may be in a given time/culture? Would you agree that it is inherently wrong to marry and have sex with someone who hasn't reached sexual maturity?

No problem! Thanks for being kind and polite to me. You asked me an honest question, it's important to answer. :-)
I definitely think a certain level of sexual maturity needs to have taken place, absolutely. I mean, some women don't complete sexual maturity until they are 18 or 19, so I wouldn't say sexual maturity needs to be completely over, but a certain level of it definitely should be reached before she can consent.

[robvalue]

You're most welcome

Great! Well I think that is a position I can get on board with. I think other members were worrying about you considering pre-sexual children as fair game. I doubted this was actually true, and I'm glad I'm right!

[Catholic_Lady]

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Even here in the US, the age of consent in some states is 14.

Which states?

State laws
Each U.S. state (and the District of Columbia) has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17, or 18. The most common age is 16.[60]

age of consent 16 (31): Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17 (8): Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, New York, Texas, Wyoming
age of consent 18 (12): Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co...th_America

CL, you're just another apologist that will say anything regardless of its proximity to the truth if the statement buttresses your position.

I love facts; however, for those that work backwards from their conclusions, facts are a bitch.

My apologies, I stand corrected. :-)

The age of consent is 14 in Europe and parts of South America, but not in the US. My fault.

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You're most welcome

Great! Well I think that is a position I can get on board with. I think other members of the board were worrying about you considering pre-sexual children as fair game. I doubted this was actually true, and I'm glad I'm right!

Thanks for asking for clarification rather than just assuming and accusing me of it down the road!

[robvalue]

My pleasure

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Pick up sticks on the Sabbath?  Death penalty.

Rape a woman?  Pay her dad and marry her.

What should I be giving God kudos for again?

I don't have the same understanding as Randy in regards to the OT, but I think what he's saying is that God was putting Himself down at the level of the people/culture of the time in order to integrate Himself slowly.

The God character of the Old Testament was simply the human ruler of the dominant empire in the area at the particular time.  As an example, in Daniel 6:12 people had to pray to the Persian king Darius or else be thrown into the lions' den.  
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Daniel%206:12

There was no invisible mountain or sky deity entity holding burning bush chats with religious lunatics telling them what to do.  The God character was simply a mortal man who had the power of life and death over everyone in his empire.  They did what he told them to do or else he killed them.

[Longhorn]

My apologies, I stand corrected. :-)

The age of consent is 14 in Europe and parts of South America, but not in the US. My fault.

Um. European here. That's not correct.

In Europe, countries who have the age of consent set at 16 include Cyprus, Finland, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, and Switzerland. For Austria, Germany, Portugal and Italy it is 14, and in France, the Czech Republic, Denmark, and Greece it is 15.

Generally it is set between 13-18.



Spain – 13
Weird green blue – 14
Blue – 15
Dark blue – 16
Weird puke color – 17
Green – 18

[Longhorn]

Does this sound too young to me? Heck yes! But I have no idea what the girls were like 2000 years ago. Maybe they were light years more mature at that age than the girls here in 21st century America. Maybe people died a lot younger, so they had to mature and start families a lot earlier to ensure the best for the species.

Light years measure distance.


I have a compulsive need to correct misconceptions. Don't stare. (ಠ_ಠ)

[robvalue]

RPM measures OCD.

(Repitions per minute.)