My Inquiry

[FatAndFaithless]

Geez, talk about jumping the shark. Where in those Roman reports does it say he performed miracles?

[abaris]

Right, my bad. I can't reference the Bible here. But Roman reports state that He was called the Messiah, which we can take to mean that He did indeed exist and evidently performed wonders for people to start calling Him Messiah and to later go through persecution and martyrdom for Him.

Read what Tacitus really said. Messiah isn't the word he used, but christos or chrestos. And as for Josephus, half of what he supposedly wrote is a known forgery. And both of them didn't include the walking on water or raising the dead part. That's exclusively bible.

That's Tacitus

Christus, the founder of the name, was Put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign Of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time Broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief Originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things Hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their Center and become popular

[Pyrrho]

[Napoléon]

Hello all! I was scrolling through the Internet tonight and I got on the topic of the existence of God, and ended up stumbling across this site. I'm currently looking for any evidence I can find that God does/does not exist (I'm a Christian), so it would be awesome if you guys would post your best rebuttals against the existence of God here for me to look at. I realize that sometimes I only see one side of an argument so I would like to put this out to you guys so I can see this argument over the existence of God from both sides. Thanks!

My argument for god's none existence?

Don't need one. I'm not the one making the claim.

[robvalue]

There is some evidence for a possible historical Jesus normal human man, yes. There is not evidence for a supernatural God-man. The Jesus character as portrayed in the bible is mostly a myth, possibly with real roots. Even if he actually did every non-supernatural thing in the bible, there's no reason to believe he did the supernatural crazy stuff. You wouldn't believe such things from any other book, now would you?

If you just believe it because it's written down, we have a problem

[Simon Moon]

Alright. So it seems most of the arguments I am getting right now are something along the lines of "we have no proof that God exists, therefore he must not exist." I can rebutt that with "we have no proof that God does not exist, therefore he must exist," but that's past the point. I'd like to present to you guys my argument for the existence of God and see what you guys respond with (so far I have not been able to come up with any rebuttal for it.) Please look at this with the open mind that I will look at your rebuttals with

I believe that God exists because of the complexity of the universe. In my opinion, there is absolutely no way this could have all happened by chance. It honestly feels like way too many coincidences to result in the universe we know today.

Take a chromosome. Those seem pretty small and unimportant; I mean, we only have 46 of them. But our 46 chromosomes have about 6x10^9 base pairs in them, totaling up for an information storage of 1.5 gigabytes of data. It also happens that these 6 billion base pairs are perfectly lined up so that we come out as a unique living creature. Just one chromosome pair being off of the 6 billion can give genetic diseases, so if there is no God, why are there so few errors in the chromosome pairing? Shouldn't we have so many errors from the random creation of humans that we are born completely messed up?

You could also take a look at the Earth and, namely, it's position in the Universe. We are perfectly positioned, both by axis of rotation and distance from the Sun, so that we have just enough heat to be comfortable but not contract heat stroke by walking outside and just enough cold to be comfortable but not catch hypothermia or frostbite upon leaving the house. The Earth even has an elliptical orbit that leads to the seasons being created, which seems like an extremely delicate balance to be randomly created.

What about life itself? And not even life, but all the things that come with it- conscience, emotions, etc. We don't have a scientific explanation I know of that can explain the "little voice inside your head." So if there is not a God, what is our explanation for this? How was life first created? And if it was created from biological slime, why haven't we been able to reproduce that?

I've got a few more like this I could put together if anyone wanted. Any and all rebuttals are appreciated!

Basically, all this is, is one big argument from ignorance fallacy.

What you are saying is, that since you are unable to explain DNA, the complexity of the universe, or whatever, you fill in that unknown with "god did it" as an explanation. 

But in reality, you haven't really explained anything. Explaining a mystery (life, the universe, etc) with a bigger mystery (a deity) has no explanatory power.

You are taking your ignorance and placing it on a pedestal and calling it 'God'. Congratulations. 


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[Minimalist]

But Roman reports state that He was called the Messiah

And, pray tell....WHERE are these "Roman reports?"


(This should be good!)

[Longhorn]

I beat yalls to it~ *victory dance*

It's just my luck that TWO SECONDS before I leave somebody starts a discussion -_-

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[Alex K]

As others have said, it is very easy to demonstrate that accepting the existence of things solely on the basis that they have not been or cannot be disproven, is a nonsensical strategy which leads you to believe loads of garbage.