Why are we here?

[The Valkyrie]

His entire plain. For us, for the universe....everything. 




So then, we really don't have a choice. 

God created the vast majority of humanity, knowing all along that the vast majority will be punished for eternity. Nice!

Sing with me,

Jesus loves me,
the bible tells.
But if I'm bad,
I'll burn in hell"

[Pyrrho]

Being saved can't be God's choice, his desire yes, ...

You still have not aswered the oringinal question.

Why not just ask us after we were created?

"Abracadabra! now you exist.  Do you want to hang here or be tortured for all eternity?"

Instead of this insignificant mortality thing?  Really, what is the point?

I think he is afraid to directly answer the question, as it has already been pointed out that the typical answers are bullshit that is incompatible with an omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly benevolent being.


You might as well ask him to explain why god decided to torture and kill Jesus instead of just forgiving people.  Why not just forgive people?  Why does God WANT suffering?  Really, Christianity is a senseless, stupid bit of primitive, superstitious nonsense.

[abaris]

Sing with me,

Jesus loves me,
the bible tells.
But if I'm bad,
I'll burn in hell"

Jesus loves me, this I know, cause the bible tells me so.

A serial killer in some british crime show used to sing it. Kind of fitting. actually.

[ignoramus]

Would you want to be a member of "heaven"  if the only prerequisite for entry is that you aren't allowed to use the brain that god gave you?  Maybe, all is not as it seems and god is actually separating the sheep who have wasted their life praying to nothing from those who have had a good crack at making the most of their life on earth.   Judging by how he is in the OT, I wouldn't put it past him...
Pascal's wager backwards .... Play it safe, be good, trust your natural instincts, and get on with life.
What, he's going to punish you for being a human being?

[professor]

I want to answer the OP's question.  
That question, and the one that logically follows it, "Where will I be in 100 years?""
began my journey for truth.

We are here to choose God.

You ask why didn't God just say, abracadabra? rather than the painful route we see.

Because after all is said and done, there will be no voice of questioning the justice of the Creator.

Everyone will stand on the result of their own choices.

[Tonus]

You ask why didn't God just say, abracadabra? rather than the painful route we see.

Because after all is said and done, there will be no voice of questioning the justice of the Creator.

Everyone will stand on the result of their own choices.

As I asked Godschild in a different topic, why is it better for us to choose our fate than for god to do so? Do you believe that, given the responsibility to do so, god would choose hell for anyone? If so, doesn't that make him seem terrible? If not, then why put us in a situation where we must trust the judgment that will fail a great number of us instead of relying on the guy who would save us without reservation?

[Ravenshire]

Because after all is said and done, there will be no voice of questioning the justice of the Creator.

Didn't Lucifer rebel? Even with first hand knowledge of gawd, up close and personal (instead of the long distance, one sided relationship you all have), didn't he rebel and take a third of the angels with him? First hand knowledge of gawd isn't enough the eliminate "questioning the justice of the Creator" why do you think a few paltry years of suffering here on earth will set it up any better. Besides, you're talking about humans and human nature. Unless your gawd strips you all of free will, sooner or later one of you will fuck it up and start the whole fucking mess over again. The ultimate reboot.

[The Valkyrie]

So magic sky man creates a curious species that spreads all over the world and then, millions of years later he chooses a fairly obscure area of the world to let people know he exists and what he wants them to do, without simultaneously appearing to the other isolated communities in the world, knowing it will be centuries or millennia before his message gets to those people, and then lets those people make their choice of their "pagan" gods.
Then he punishes them for it?
Nice imaginary friend you have there.

[Cyberman]

I always assume that prof is typing the first suggested word in his mobile's autocomplete list. It's the only way I can feel safe enough to close my eyes in my own bedroom at night.

[Pyrrho]

I want to answer the OP's question.  
That question, and the one that logically follows it, "Where will I be in 100 years?""
began my journey for truth.

We are here to choose God.

You ask why didn't God just say, abracadabra? rather than the painful route we see.

Because after all is said and done, there will be no voice of questioning the justice of the Creator.

Everyone will stand on the result of their own choices.

If I understand what you are saying, your second to last sentence means that god is evil, but because he is all powerful, he can fuck with people all he wants.  Is that what you mean?