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Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
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Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
Quote:In a major win for the Obama administration, the Supreme Court held in a 6-3 decision that the Affordable Care Act authorized federal tax credits for eligible Americans living not only in states with their own exchanges but also in the 34 states with federal exchanges.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/25/politics/s...index.html

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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
My understanding of the 'plainly worded' rationale the analysts were using led me to think the subsidies were dead, regardless of merit or lack of merit of having them. 'Weaseling' springs to mind, unbidden.

The 'plainly worded' thing I note is employed to dismantle religiosity all time here, so I'm somewhat disoriented now . . .
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
YES! HOLY FUCKING SHIT, 6-3? WOW, didn't expect that. Makes me wonder if the right in that court has put down their corporate/religious crack pipe for one second sanity.

Now watch the GOP politicians scramble to become even more unglued. What can they say now? That decision came from a majority of GOP SCOTUS. Makes me wonder what will happen when they rule in favor of national gay marriage?

HE HE HE HE Take that Bonhead, Cruz, Jeb, Suckabee.
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
A negative decision would have fallen disproportionately on red states and had them scrambling for ways to "fix" the law they hate.  Yes, it's a major win for Obama but in saves the republicunts asses in states where people were dumb enough to elect them.

Now...the gay marriage decision will have no such silver lining for the republicunts.  If that goes against them they will be shrieking like scorched cats.  And that serves them right.
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
Scalia is all huffy and indignant.

Quote:Antonin Scalia fumes: ‘We should start calling this law SCOTUScare’

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...cotuscare/
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
Fuck Scalia.  Nazi shithead.
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
(June 25, 2015 at 10:44 am)vorlon13 Wrote: My understanding of the 'plainly worded' rationale the analysts were using led me to think the subsidies were dead, regardless of merit or lack of merit of having them.  'Weaseling' springs to mind, unbidden.

The 'plainly worded' thing I note is employed to dismantle religiosity all time here, so I'm somewhat disoriented now . . .


The underlying principles at play here in the majority's opinion seem to be:

1a) If there is exactly only one thing a particular sentence in a statute could mean, you have to take it to mean that. (This is clearly the law.)
1b) If there's more than one thing a particular sentence could mean, you have to look at the context to determine its meaning. (This is clearly the law.)
2) In some cases, like this one, the context can be used to determine whether there's one or more than one meaning. (This may be a stretch.)
3) The more tension there is between the "plain" meaning of a sentence and the rest of the act, the more likely it is that the plain meaning is not the one intended. (This is clearly the law.)
4) Besides a statement with a plain meaning that directly contradicts the purpose of the act, the most possible tension you could get between the plain meaning of a sentence and an act is if the plain meaning would result in the act being doomed to failure. (This probably isn't the law per se, but seems to make sense.)
5) Congress doesn't write laws it wishes to be doomed to failure. (For certain populations of Congress, this might not be true, but it's clearly an assumption the court must make.)

So, each of those principles applied to the ruling here:

1) "Established by the State" seems to have only one meaning.
2) The act, earlier, says (paraphrasing) "if the State does not create an exchange, the Secretary shall set such an exchange up for the State."  "Such an exchange" seems to mean "there shouldn't be a functional difference between the State's exchange and the Federal exchange."  But, allowing subsidies for only State and not Federal exchanges is clearly a functional difference.  Therefore, contextually, "established by the state" is ambiguous when compared with the rest of the act, which seems to contemplate no difference between the two exchanges.  Therefore, because it's ambiguous, it needs Court interpretation.
3+4) If "Established by the State" really means established by the States and states alone, this law is doomed to failure, thus meaning the phrase "established by the state" is greatly at odds with the rest of the act.
5) Congress wouldn't have intended "established by the state" to destroy the act; therefore, the meaning that doesn't destroy the act is preferred.

It's clear to see that Step 2 is the one that's legally tricky.
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
(June 25, 2015 at 11:04 am)Minimalist Wrote: A negative decision would have fallen disproportionately on red states and had them scrambling for ways to "fix" the law they hate.  Yes, it's a major win for Obama but in saves the republicunts asses in states where people were dumb enough to elect them.

Now...the gay marriage decision will have no such silver lining for the republicunts.  If that goes against them they will be shrieking like scorched cats.  And that serves them right.

But things like this say to me, don't give up, speak out every day, no matter your income or status. Every voice counts and done on a daily basis, over time, progress can happen. I don't know what happened in the minds of the GOP side of that court, but something changed. This was not the decision I expected from that court. 

But as far as gay marriage, the right would be really fucking stupid not to side with gays considering the direction the country is headed. I am not a vengeful person in the least, but only on from a mental observation level, I do enjoy watching right wing nuts go ape shit.

I think America is waking up, maybe not as fast as some would like. But it seems the 30 year religious/corporate nightmare is being exposed.
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
(June 25, 2015 at 11:06 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Scalia is all huffy and indignant.

Quote:Antonin Scalia fumes: ‘We should start calling this law SCOTUScare’

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...cotuscare/

That asshole is a theocrat and just about as nutty as Judge Roy Moore.
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RE: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare subsidies
Quote:the right would be really fucking stupid

And there you have nailed it.
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