What would you consider to be evidence for God?

[Redbeard The Pink]

  then that would have been a MAJOR paradigm shift as to how life is understood and defined, and I would like to see some evidence that this shift has actually happened.

Its in the bible, they just haven't got around to interpreting or adding something yet LOL

I don't think Lion's woo is Bible based. From what I can tell, he's either a pantheist or a troll.

[snowtracks]

Well, just no other way to say this: Abiogenesis has been dealt a death blow. It turns out the DNA module is not stable as formerly thought but is in need of continuously repair and maintenance which is performed by the cell itself. This means that the DNA and the cell couldn’t have arisen independent of each other; the cell repairs the DNA, and the DNA preserves the cell’s genetics by copying the original (after repairs, if needed) via cell division.
“The reason our genetic material does not disintegrate into complete chemical chaos is that a host of molecular systems continuously monitor and repair DNA. The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2015 awards three pioneering scientists who have mapped how several of these repair systems function at a detailed molecular level”.* C'est la vie evolution, you been found wanting.

*http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/c...press.html

Evolution is not solely about genetics. Ever hear about epigenetics, the study of evolutionary change which isn't based on DNA molecules? We've known for years that DNA is subject to radical mutation (one of the main vectors of genetic evolution, the other being reproductive recombination), and we've also known for years that there are defences against mutation in this way(some genetic, some non genetic). And we also know that some strands of DNA code for proteins in different shape, radically altering their purpose, depending on the stressors affecting a body.

Despite what your peabrain thinks, you are pointing to research which strengthens evolution, not destroys it.

Epigenetics adds another layer of complexity since information for 3-dimensional form and structure of an animal is stored in the cell structure itself. Complexity and more information (comes from a mind, that’s why SETI is looking for information and not random noise) doesn’t argue for a mindless, undirected explanation.
Now, continuing with DNA: the 3 Nobel Laureates discovered after decades of research of mapping at the molecular level that the DNA has 3 molecular systems which constantly monitor the genome and repair any damage.
1. Base Excision Repair - if an amino group is lost and becomes unable to form a base pair, thus breaking the DNA chain an enzyme detects the error, and other enzymes repair it so that the DNA can replicate properly.
2. Nucleotide Excision Repair - through this mechanism, enzymes will cut out (yes cut out), remove, and replace a damaged DNA strand.
3. Mismatch Repair - replication errors often occur as the DNA is copied but enzymes continually detect most of these errors, and other enzymes repair the damaged DNA.*

What this research shows is that for abiogenesis to occur, undirected, random processes must have anticipated the inherent instability of DNA and assembled the cell with the variety of enzymes necessary to prevent the self-destruction of DNA.

*http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/c...ze2015.pdf

[Minimalist]

<yawn>

Since there is no evidence for your fucking god I guess we are not here, huh?

[Pat Mustard]

Evolution is not solely about genetics. Ever hear about epigenetics, the study of evolutionary change which isn't based on DNA molecules? We've known for years that DNA is subject to radical mutation (one of the main vectors of genetic evolution, the other being reproductive recombination), and we've also known for years that there are defences against mutation in this way(some genetic, some non genetic). And we also know that some strands of DNA code for proteins in different shape, radically altering their purpose, depending on the stressors affecting a body.

Despite what your peabrain thinks, you are pointing to research which strengthens evolution, not destroys it.

Epigenetics adds another layer of complexity since information for 3-dimensional form and structure of an animal is stored in the cell structure itself. Complexity and more information (comes from a mind, that’s why SETI is looking for information and not random noise) doesn’t argue for a mindless, undirected explanation.
Now, continuing with DNA: the 3 Nobel Laureates discovered after decades of research of mapping at the molecular level that the DNA has 3 molecular systems which constantly monitor the genome and repair any damage.
1. Base Excision Repair - if an amino group is lost and becomes unable to form a base pair, thus breaking the DNA chain an enzyme detects the error, and other enzymes repair it so that the DNA can replicate properly.
2. Nucleotide Excision Repair - through this mechanism, enzymes will cut out (yes cut out), remove, and replace a damaged DNA strand.
3. Mismatch Repair - replication errors often occur as the DNA is copied but enzymes continually detect most of these errors, and other enzymes repair the damaged DNA.*

What this research shows is that for abiogenesis to occur, undirected, random processes must have anticipated the inherent instability of DNA and assembled the cell with the variety of enzymes necessary to prevent the self-destruction of DNA.

*http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/c...ze2015.pdf

No snowtracks, what it shows, again, is that you haven't one fucking clue about what you're pontificating on, and that you simply twist every bit of evidence to fit the lie you convinced yourself to believe.

[Lucifer]

Here are some things that would, to me, would cause me to take the idea of gods existence a bit more seriously:

- people being healed of illnesses that are normally not curable (like amputees) in ways that are completely inexplainable, with clear evidence. Healings are often offered as evidence, but they are always either failing to meet these standards.
- prophecies that are clear and very specific that come true would certainly grab my attention. religious books are filled with vague prophesies, and a lot of them still manage to fail.
- a religious book written long ago with amazing knowledge that people could not possibly have had. Not the case for our religious books.
- if people around me really were transformed by there religion, if they really heard the holy spirit instead of just imagining that to be the case, well, that would have been interesting.
- seeing visions and hearing voices would make me worried about my mental health, but I could imagine situations that I would take these serious. for example if these reveal things that I could not possibly know that cannot be explained in another way, like something big that is going to happen the next day.
- etc

I feel like I am very generous here. I think it is very hard to come up with this evidence, just because it does not seem to be there.

[ignoramus]

Again... If there was evidence, there'd be no reason for belief.
All religions survive because of their unfalsifiabilty ... That's about the best they got.

But it still doesn't stop the fools from parting with their money.

[Pat Mustard]

Actually thinking on it, and being generous enough to allow the bible its own terms, I have something convincing. If a being powerful enough to change universal constants enough that pi does equal exactly 3 came along, I'd be happy to call it god.

[joseph_]

The strongest evidence for God's existence for me has been the persistent reality of the Holy Spirit manifesting miraculously through day to day leading, prophecies, supernatural occurrences. For instance, I prayed about changing my name to my birth-name, Joseph and a prophet prophesied over me "Your name is Joseph". I have seen probably thousands of things like this. Often, when I read the scripture, the Holy Spirit shows me specific verses in the Bible which reveal the supernatural character of Christianity.

The authority of the Catholic Church for 2000 years has been based on miracles. I have seen healings and seen objects physically translate. The way that people know a teaching is authentic is through the miraculous.

Alvin Plantinga calls this "properly basic belief" in his book "Warranted Christian Belief". These supernatural occurances are properly basic from a foundationalist standpoint epistemologically because they are as certain as any other experiences. I can vouch for this teaching as being sound and in tune with the miraculous character of Christianity.

[Alex K]

The strongest evidence for God's existence for me has been the persistent reality of the Holy Spirit manifesting miraculously through day to day leading, prophecies, supernatural occurrences. For instance, I prayed about changing my name to my birth-name, Joseph and a prophet prophesied over me "Your name is Joseph". I have seen probably thousands of things like this. Often, when I read the scripture, the Holy Spirit shows me specific verses in the Bible which reveal the supernatural character of Christianity.

You have pretty low standards when it comes to "miracles"...

[Whateverist]

Really, really big socks left lying everywhere.