Can an atheist be ethical like theists

[The Valkyrie]

The women who become prostitutes do so by choice.

The women who become, for example, heart surgeons, do so by choice.

The women who wear hijab, most of the time, do NOT do so by choice.  And, in an insular society like Saudi Arabia, I wonder what the level of sexual abuse is?  We have no stats because the women aren't empowered to report it.

What a hideous society these poor women must live in.

Yuck!

I am a muslim I don't know any of these women you are taking about these are just things going on your mind nothing more.

As for prostitution as a choice that's not accurate it is for the money so this woman is forced to sell her body for the money and guess what? it is legal just to satisfy the men; that's a real prejudice and a racist community to me.

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How do you get to that conclusion from what you stated?  You make absolutely no sense.

It is completely a logical assumption I'll give an example if u know any smokers you will notice that they always try to quit but they can't at least most of them and if u ask them how they started they will say someone offered me a cigarette and when I tried it I liked it and started smoking but now I regret it.

So would be the issue for drugs if they were ok and acceptable in the community. Many people will start using at least to try them at first and then they wont be able to stop that is addiction my friend cigarettes do it alcohol do it and drugs do it.

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I must ask where is rob he was doing a much better job than u guys with all respect of course

So, you respond to both of my points with nothing but UTTER BULLSHIT.

Why am I not surprised.

You're trying to tell me that women in Saudi Arabia are free to walk around without those stupid black body rags if they want to?  That they're free to drive, if they want to?

Are you trying to tell me that women in Iran are free to walk around without head coverings if they want to?

Are you telling me that women in Afghanistan are free to walk around, especially in conservative areas, without their burqas if they choose to do so?

Either you're incredibly naieve o, as I suspected from early on, a liar.

[huss88ein]

I am a muslim I don't know any of these women you are taking about these are just things going on your mind nothing more.

As for prostitution as a choice that's not accurate it is for the money so this woman is forced to sell her body for the money and guess what? it is legal just to satisfy the men; that's a real prejudice and a racist community to me.

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It is completely a logical assumption I'll give an example if u know any smokers you will notice that they always try to quit but they can't at least most of them and if u ask them how they started they will say someone offered me a cigarette and when I tried it I liked it and started smoking but now I regret it.

So would be the issue for drugs if they were ok and acceptable in the community. Many people will start using at least to try them at first and then they wont be able to stop that is addiction my friend cigarettes do it alcohol do it and drugs do it.

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I must ask where is rob he was doing a much better job than u guys with all respect of course

So, you respond to both of my points with nothing but UTTER BULLSHIT.

Why am I not surprised.

You're trying to tell me that women in Saudi Arabia are free to walk around without those stupid black body rags if they want to?  That they're free to drive, if they want to?

Are you trying to tell me that women in Iran are free to walk around without head coverings if they want to?

Are you telling me that women in Afghanistan are free to walk around, especially in conservative areas, without their burqas if they choose to do so?

Either you're incredibly naieve o, as I suspected from early on, a liar.

Well calling me a liar wont help your case but anyway if saudies choose that they are free to choose there laws as you r to choose yours and iran is another case for being another believe from mine so I don't need to defend them.

But saying that all muslim countries are like that it is not fair many laws in Saudi Arabia that I am against but it is not my place to criticize them more than to criticize America for being in their side or china for being in irans side this is all about politics .

And for women driving my sister drives a car wears hijab because she wants to and love islam so a constitution in a country is not a relegion problem it is that contry problem and if people wants it then who r you to judge.

But you didn't answer me for the prostitution problem.

By the way a muslim woman not wearing hijab doesn't make here not a muslim but a sinner and there is no law in islam against it more than a muslim man not having a beard it is a bad thing but doesn't make u go straight go to hell what does is not believing in god .

Equality in islam is misunderstood and often confused with traditions which make people act irrational and improvise new laws.

Wearing hijab is an obligation in islam which muslim women understand and do to be better muslims and so is the beard thing and I must say that muslim women are doing a better job than the men .

But if you're implying that if a woman is not wearing hijab she will be killed will show me reference to that in islam from quran or hadith not statistics and politics.

Dont forget to answer to the prostitution issue which u made a normal and acceptable thing .

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What question have I not answered?

If you're wanting to know what stops an atheist being unethical, they stop themselves most of the time. It's a product of evolution, education and environment. But failing that, we have laws. Start killing people randomly and you'll end up in jail which isn't good.

At a basic level, your parents teach you "right and wrong" before you really understand the concept. They can do so without invoking any sort of God.

No rob I'm talking about the questions concerning drugs incest. ......etc

U can go back and see them I would like your point of view.

[The Valkyrie]

I've already stated the facts about legal prostitution.

Your claims about it are ridiculous and have little bearing on the facts.

[huss88ein]

Gross fact yakk

So thats not prejudice to woman to use them as a product but wearing hijab is?

It's just sex, ya facking prude. Grow up

It is not when a woman is forced to sell her body for money!!!!!!!!

It is the worst scenario there is for a society that calls itself an equal society for both sex .

[rexbeccarox]

Who's talking about forcing women into prostitution?

[huss88ein]

I've already stated the facts about legal prostitution.

Your claims about it are ridiculous and have little bearing on the facts.

So these prostitutes are doing it for fun not money you're saying! !!!!!

Ok if that the case then would u accept that one of your relatives is doing it and how would you feel if your mom or sis etc is doing it?????

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Who's talking about forcing women into prostitution?

You saying they're nor forced is not precise because in most societies women are forced to because of money and if they're then they are objectified and trated like anything you buy in a shop . Women are not an object in islam and they are treated equally to men in everything they have the same obligations and judged the same way men are .

Even it has erased the previous ideas that having a baby boy is better than a girl , you must just read about the prophet(pbuh ) saying your mother then your mother then your mother then your dad thats praising women for me not defending prostitution.

[The Valkyrie]

Don't be a fucking idiot (more than you already are).

The women do it for the money, but the majority choose to do it. They're not forced into it.

And this would be your paedophile prophet (piss be upon him) that you're referring to, right?

[Redbeard The Pink]

So these prostitutes are doing it for fun not money you're saying! !!!!!

Ok if that the case then would u accept that one of your relatives is doing it and how would you feel if your mom or sis etc is doing it?????

This technique is called argument from emotion, and it's designed to bypass the logical centers of the brain and gain a knee-jerk reaction to what's said. The idea here is that I'm supposed to be distressed or insulted by the idea of my mother or sister becoming a whore.

But I'll bite. Let's play this hypothetical out. If my mom wanted to become a professional prostitute and there were absolutely nothing I could do to stop her, would I want her to do it in a setting where prostitution is legal, or illegal? Well, in a situation where it's illegal, my mother might catch a disease, get beat up by a john, get in trouble with the police, get involved with an abusive pimp...the possibilities are as ugly as they are endless. With legalized prostitution, there is some level of regulation and supervision involved, so I could be at least somewhat assured that my mother had access to a safe, well-paying work environment with good employers and Johns who are monitored for health and behavior. I would vastly prefer this situation to the previous one.

So yeah...if my mom decided she wanted to have some fun and make some money doing it, I'd prefer she did it in a setting where prostitution is legal. What, are you saying you want your mom to get beat up by a cracked out pimp? You have to think if these things.

You saying they're nor forced is not precise because in most societies women are forced to because of money and if they're then they are objectified and trated like anything you buy in a shop . Women are not an object in islam and they are treated equally to men in everything they have the same obligations and judged the same way men are .

Ok, first off, that's false equivocation. Not all prostitution is the same. Forcing someone into prostitution is a violation of their consent, and that's what makes that wrong.

Second, no, women are not treated equally in Islam. Do we really need to debate this? I mean really?

Even it has erased the previous ideas that having a baby boy is better than a girl , you must just read about the prophet(pbuh ) saying your mother then your mother then your mother then your dad thats praising women for me not defending prostitution.

Um...what?

[Dystopia]

Don't be a fucking idiot (more than you already are).

The women do it for the money, but the majority choose to do it.  They're not forced into it.

And this would be your paedophile prophet (piss be upon him) that you're referring to, right?

I sincerely disagree with this - Prostitutes make choices as much as people who flip burgers do - Which is to say there's little choice involved.

[The Valkyrie]

Don't be a fucking idiot (more than you already are).

The women do it for the money, but the majority choose to do it.  They're not forced into it.

And this would be your paedophile prophet (piss be upon him) that you're referring to, right?

I sincerely disagree with this - Prostitutes make choices as much as people who flip burgers do - Which is to say there's little choice involved.

Perhaps in some cases.  Ones I've talked to, in areas it's legal, mostly do so by choice.