Spooky that's u proving my point so thank u for being unethical

Quote:Can an atheist be ethical like theists

There's nothing ethical in brainwashing kids against their will.

What question have I not answered?

If you're wanting to know what stops an atheist being unethical, they stop themselves most of the time. It's a product of evolution, education and environment. But failing that, we have laws. Start killing people randomly and you'll end up in jail which isn't good.

At a basic level, your parents teach you "right and wrong" before you really understand the concept. They can do so without invoking any sort of God.

(July 15, 2015 at 11:47 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: Guess what: prostitution is legal in several countries. Do you know what happened?

Those prostitutes are off the streets. They are monitored and have to submit to medical checks regularly. There are no pimps running them, so any crime associated with the profession are minimal.

That's a FACT!

Gross fact yakk

So thats not prejudice to woman to use them as a product but wearing hijab is?

It's just sex, ya facking prude. Grow up

*theatrical sigh*
The whole 'can you be good without god?' thing has been done once or twice before on here.

In terms of individuals I don't think you can say 'this person will be good or bad because they are part of group x or y'.

Most societies think they are ethical, not matter how bloody evil they get. The Mayans thought they were doing the right thing by sacrificing Human life to their deities. We can't rely on our preconceptions or philosophies to tell us if our society is ethical, we need to examine the cold statistics to determine if we are doing the best thing for Humans. The protection and quality of Human life should come first, protection of life in general second, exploration of our existence and cosmos third and everything else a distant fourth.

(July 15, 2015 at 8:28 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well you can search the word ethics and read in wikipedia by example that ethics came from relegion even in ancient egypt.

As for that point if you don't like somthing being done to u .........etc
That's also a comes from relegion but let us assume it is just logic and common sense no more then that means that your understanding of ethics will evolve with the society development and according to what we see these days it is in bad direction not good one.
In human nature people never assume that somthing is bad unless it hurts someone else so robbing a bank which is a public Institute wont be that bad for example because ur not hurting anyone.

Ok, I just searched the term "ethics" and checked what the Wikipedia page says about it. Religion is barely mentioned, and in no way does Wikipedia suggest that ethics is always or even usually sourced by religion. That assertion is horse shit.

As for the rest of that...let's see, where to start.

First off, as I see it, human ethics in the broad sense is improving, not worsening. While there will always be setbacks, human rights have grown by leaps and bounds in many places in the last few hundred years, and bigotry and religiosity are on the decline in general. Hopefully, within the next few hundred years, religion will be a dim memory living on the fringes of society.

Your assertion that bank robbing hurts no one is also not correct. This, again, boils down to this awesome super power I have called empathy. I don't rob banks because I don't want to go to jail for it, but let's say I believed I would get away with it. I still wouldn't want to do it because I can put myself in the shoes of the bank workers and manager, the bystanders in the bank, or any number of other people and see that robbing that bank would cause others to suffer. Based on this, I can make a moral choice not to rob a bank, even if I'm not scared of jail or Hell.

(July 16, 2015 at 6:46 am)Ashground Wrote: *theatrical sigh*
The whole 'can you be good without god?' thing has been done once or twice before on here.

In terms of individuals I don't think you can say 'this person will be good or bad because they are part of group x or y'.

Most societies think they are ethical, not matter how bloody evil they get. The Mayans thought they were doing the right thing by sacrificing Human life to their deities. We can't rely on our preconceptions or philosophies to tell us if our society is ethical, we need to examine the cold statistics to determine if we are doing the best thing for Humans. The protection and quality of Human life should come first, protection of life in general second, exploration of our existence and cosmos third and everything else a distant fourth.

My bold.

I provisionally agree.
Though I would like to point out that the two (human life and life in general) are so intimately intertwined that your unqualified prioritization is not a wise strategy.

(July 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

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(July 15, 2015 at 10:55 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Moral rules are the product of selection over thousands of generations of various societies.
And they come up with some pretty strange rules.
There are actually societies that internally agree that cutting off the tip of men's penises is a good thing to do.
Then they claim that some God told them to do it.
And don't get me started on dietary conventions......
Some people drink secretions of cows.

Weird but true.

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That's not the point here my point is what will make people abide by the law if it's not a divine power and dont tell me human nature because not all of the bad things to u are bad to the others and u said it ur self.

People abide by the 'law' because of enlightened self interest, e.g. to avoid having society beat the crap out of them, and instinctive tendencies such as empathy and love which were wired into our neural physiology over millennia of natural selection.
No divine dictatorship is required nor is there any evidence that it applies.  Your holy writ is absolutely indistinguishable from a collection of myths and legends told around the campfire by a primitive desert tribal shaman.
Your contention that it is a divine infallible prescription fails in the face of its historical variability.  For most of us slavery laws and those oppressing women are obsoleted as normative rules.  Things change in spite of dogmatic resistance from zealots like yourself.

(July 15, 2015 at 7:25 pm)huss88ein Wrote: For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?

Do you mean ethical like cutting the heads off of people who don't agree with us? Or do you mean ethical like flying airplanes into buildings and killing three thousand innocents, that sort of moral behavior?

Religion clearly doesn't inculcate morality. If it did, the religious wouldn't resort to murder over stupid shit like whose invisible sky fairy is better.

Religion poisons everything -- especially the moral sensibilities of humans.

(July 16, 2015 at 3:41 am)huss88ein Wrote: Spooky that's u proving my point so thank u for being unethical

Spooks did nothing wrong. Nothing in that post hurt anyone.

We have people defending rape, murder and slavery on this very forum in order to preserve the idea that their religion is "good".