(July 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 11:20 pm)huss88ein Wrote: So imagine living in a city where prostitutes are everywhere cause they have the right to.

And people are doing drugs which cause a temporary loss of mind which will make them commit crimes suicide and rape among many other things and the human life expectancy will be lower because most of the drug doers will die in an early age.

And naked peoplw are in public walking the streets .

And these drugs because they are legal will eventually be sold in markets or pharmacies at least and thus find a way to the children hands .

Yukkkk .Thats a society I don't want to live in thank u.

Just because people can doesn't mean they will. If all of those things were legal tomorrow, I wouldn't partake in any of them.

Hussein, NONE of those rules come from religion. Not a single one. Decency laws exist in societies because we have deemed them to be appropriate. The Quran doesn't say jack shit about crystal meth. If prostitution were legal there would not be countless men and women prowling the streets.

That's not the point .
The point here that if these things were legal people who are doing them right now will do them without any fear from punishment thus making them bold an come out to public making the society a hard place to live in.
As for drugs not many people are doing drugs now I agree but look how many smokers are there in the world because it is legal.

Guess what: prostitution is legal in several countries. Do you know what happened?

Those prostitutes are off the streets. They are monitored and have to submit to medical checks regularly. There are no pimps running them, so any crime associated with the profession are minimal.

That's a FACT!

(July 15, 2015 at 11:38 pm)Beccs Wrote: Oh right, your citation is "you can read it on the BBC".

How typical.

Okay, then Muslim societies are the most vicious, crime ridden societies on the planet.

My citation: It says so somewhere on the internet.

I win!

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
Here read it on here which is the BBC News by the way .

The answer is yes they can be ethical and good. The question is are they similar in goal, experience, and value that a close sincere servant of God who's body is on earth while his heart/soul is in the high assemblies, seeing the light of God, scenting Prophethood and being guided by the companionship of the his appointed Leader/Master/Guide.

I feel they miss out on too much, and a core of their being is lost, when they are ignorant of God.

However a person who is very well aware of proofs of God or his guidance and rejects it, can't be good, his stubborn way against guidance and God makes him unjust.

(July 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Just because people can doesn't mean they will. If all of those things were legal tomorrow, I wouldn't partake in any of them.

Hussein, NONE of those rules come from religion. Not a single one. Decency laws exist in societies because we have deemed them to be appropriate. The Quran doesn't say jack shit about crystal meth. If prostitution were legal there would not be countless men and women prowling the streets.

That's not the point .
The  point here that if these things were legal people who are doing them right now will do them without any fear from punishment thus making them bold an come out to public making the society a hard place to live in.
As for drugs not many people are doing drugs now I agree but look how many smokers are there in the world because it is legal.

Do you really think there would be fewer smokers if smoking was illegal? Have you ever heard of the United States Prohibition Era?

Scenting the prophethood? WTF?

I am well aware of the proofs of god. They are extremely lacking. I consider myself a good person, and others do too. So... fuck you MysticKnight.

(July 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: Guess what: prostitution is legal in several countries. Do you know what happened?

Those prostitutes are off the streets. They are monitored and have to submit to medical checks regularly. There are no pimps running them, so any crime associated with the profession are minimal.

That's a FACT!

Gross fact yakk

So thats not prejudice to woman to use them as a product but wearing hijab is?

(July 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm)huss88ein Wrote: That's not the point .
The point here that if these things were legal people who are doing them right now will do them without any fear from punishment thus making them bold an come out to public making the society a hard place to live in.
As for drugs not many people are doing drugs now I agree but look how many smokers are there in the world because it is legal.

Come on, man. That was your point, and you know it. It makes no sense otherwise. Now you're lying to me. Maybe all this bluster about ethics isn't so true after all...

(July 15, 2015 at 11:46 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I am well aware of the proofs of god.

What's the proofs of God you are aware of?

(July 15, 2015 at 11:34 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 11:26 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Who has supported your bullshit claims?!?

Well you can read it on BBC News

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(July 15, 2015 at 11:31 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Yeah, Catholic Lady already started a thread about this. If you need your god to be good, then please, do not quit believing.

Do no, however, mistake that as an argument for your god's existence.  It is only an argument for your own moral depravity.

It is just a discussion dude chill out

(July 15, 2015 at 11:47 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 11:41 pm)Beccs Wrote: Guess what:  prostitution is legal in several countries.  Do you know what happened?

Those prostitutes are off the streets.  They are monitored and have to submit to medical checks regularly.  There are no pimps running them, so any crime associated with the profession are minimal.

That's a FACT!

Gross fact yakk

So thats not prejudice to woman to use them as a product but wearing hijab is?

The women who become prostitutes do so by choice.

The women who become, for example, heart surgeons, do so by choice.

The women who wear hijab, most of the time, do NOT do so by choice.  And, in an insular society like Saudi Arabia, I wonder what the level of sexual abuse is?  We have no stats because the women aren't empowered to report it.

What a hideous society these poor women must live in.

Yuck!