Can an atheist be ethical like theists

[robvalue]

If morality is different now to when Mohammed married a child, then it's not objective.

[rexbeccarox]

Oh no, you asked a question on morality, asserting that God is where it comes from.

I ask a very simple question; what are your feelings on Paedophilia?

Clearly I am against it but the definition differs from an era to another and from community to another by example if u were living in a community where all people's age of marriage is 12 the question is will u be considered a pedophile or a rather normal citizen abiding the laws of ur community.

I told u it is a big debate and needs lots of citations and statistics and I dont have the time today so please make the debate and let others participate as well that would be a better discussion by all means that's why I asked u to make the thread if u don't I will make it but just after the gay debate which I will make soon .

And seriously man no happy holidays or congrats I mean nothing ?????
[emoji19] [emoji19]

Hold on. So you start an extremely insulting thread insinuating that atheists can't be "ethical", then when people start answering your questions, you move the goalposts to argue from emotion, meanwhile bringing even more points into it. Then, when you're questioned about your own "ethics", you won't answer? Why should someone start another thread for you? If you want another thread started, you do it. In the meantime, we'll ask you questions as much as we like; you don't have any authority to tell anyone any differently, after all, you're the one who started the thread.

... and then you have the gall to ask us to wish you happy holidays and congratulate you... for what, exactly? I have no idea what you're even going on about, and because you're as insulting as you are, why should anyone wish you a happy anything?

[dyresand]

For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?

The jail population has more christian, muslims, etc in jail and it dwarfs the atheist percentages.
in America 0.07% of the jail population in whole is atheist. So does that answer your question?


Atheists are more ethical and moral end of point. That graph shows atheists countries are far more peaceful 
than any country with any sort of religion the end.

[Cato]

Your assumptions are not facts

And for Plato quotes and articles as if ancient greek was the only society in history most of the other societies had relegions that's a fact and from these relegions had objective modalities in them that's also a fact.

As for the education thing I never mind keep on studying and educating myself would u?

You should really click on the links I provided, they aren't Plato quotes. Plato is simply a word used in the url to entries in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

What were you saying about assuming?

[abaris]

Same shit, different day?

As if we didn't have these discussions ad nauseam. Ethics have nothing to do with any kind of magical sky daddy but everything with being a social species. Apes and other social species have them too to different degrees. Not that a theist would get that.

[huss88ein]

Clearly I am against it but the definition differs from an era to another and from community to another by example if u were living in a community where all people's age of marriage is 12 the question is will u be considered a pedophile or a rather normal citizen abiding the laws of ur community.

I told u it is a big debate and needs lots of citations and statistics and I dont have the time today so please make the debate and let others participate as well that would be a better discussion by all means that's why I asked u to make the thread if u don't I will make it but just after the gay debate which I will make soon .

And seriously man no happy holidays or congrats I mean nothing ?????
[emoji19] [emoji19]

Hold on. So you start an extremely insulting thread insinuating that atheists can't be "ethical", then when people start answering your questions, you move the goalposts to argue from emotion, meanwhile bringing even more points into it. Then, when you're questioned about your own "ethics", you won't answer? Why should someone start another thread for you? If you want another thread started, you do it. In the meantime, we'll ask you questions as much as we like; you don't have any authority to tell anyone any differently, after all, you're the one who started the thread.

... and then you have the gall to ask us to wish you happy holidays and congratulate you... for what, exactly? I have no idea what you're even going on about, and because you're as insulting as you are, why should anyone wish you a happy anything?

Wait a minute the thread isn't insulting I didn't assume that atheists are necessarily immoral my points were always about certain phenomenons and how can an atheist rationalize why they're wrong that doesn't mean I'm accusing any one of being immoral in a short version how can they control these phenomenons in a society if relegion did not exist .

And for the thread about what the other member said I told him I will start it myself if he didn't! !!!!!!

As for wishing happy anything or whatever you're saying here first that was a joke second you wishing happy something with us having different ideas is a great social gesture I even celebrate Christmas with our christian neighbors and I don't believe in it ! But I don't want to hurt their feelings.

And an advice stop taking everything personal I thought atheism meant no belief not believing you are better than everbody else .

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If morality is different now to when Mohammed married a child, then it's not objective.

I've specifically said community too not only time and somethings are subjective in their nature and that's acceptable in islam and we have a rule for that

That anything rational can't be against islam but not everything in islam can be rationalized such as the drugs the prostitution the incest.......etc they're is no rational argument about their prohibition from the point of view of the people who commit them.

[abaris]

Wait a minute the thread isn't insulting I didn't assume that atheists are necessarily immoral my points were always about certain phenomenons and how can an atheist rationalize why they're wrong that doesn't mean I'm accusing any one of being immoral in a short version how can they control these phenomenons in a society if relegion did not exist .

Sigh, why can't you guys do something as simple as an online search? These threads have been around for about a gazillion times and answered ad nauseam. In short, as a member of society I know that it's frowned upon to axe your neighbour or take a dump in the street. And not being a psychopath, I don't feel any need to do so. It's called empathy and if you really want to educate yourself, it's present in animals too. Simple video search on google will net you the research results on apes, dogs, even bears and elephants.

[AtheistAspie]

Morality doesn't come from religion. It comes from the evolved human tendencies toward cooperation, empathy, and the avoidance of suffering. An individual's morality comes from a combination of personal world view and social influences. Those who think it's from religion simply do not understand this process.

In short, what stops me from raping and killing is the fact that I don't want those things done to me, therefore it stands to reason that I shouldn't do them to other people. I wouldn't want to, for that matter, because inflicting that kind of suffering is reprehensible to me.

Wow, I was asked exactly the OP's question last night and came up with the exact same response.  Religions think they can prove their value by claiming that they're the only ones which develop a sense of morality, but it's an incredibly easy argument to refute when you believe in evolution.  If it were true, all atheists would be running around killing each other because we have no morality, what with being godless and all.  I find my morality superior to the religious individual's, because I uphold right and wrong because I want to and feel it's inherently necessary.  A religious person upholds right and wrong because they're afraid if they don't, they're going to hell.  What kind of morality is that?

[Brian37]

For stater the sense of morality has been rationalized in older societies by a religious foundations and with the absence of these foundations what is forbidding people from being unethical? what is the determinant for right and wrong if not relegion ?

Evolution. Google "cat protects kid from dog" video on YouTube. If that cat had no sense of morality it would not protect the kid. No need to buy ancient comic books or magic sky daddy to explain nature. Sorry if reality isn't sexy enough for some, but that is their baggage.

[robvalue]

This guy has since stormed off, but not before showing how his morality is way worse than the atheists on this forum. He kind of blew it.