Objections: The Gathering

[Spooky]

Other. Entire poll is moot.

[Ravenshire]

Lack of evidence of god.  Put it on the list.

Complete and utter lack.

[Angrboda]

“The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.”

― Delos McKown

[Ravenshire]

No, usually they don't if they don't believe in a god in the first place. God was created in man's (and I mean man) image and men (and I mean men) were responsible for all of the above. So the questions are moot at a very fundamental level. Other than that god's fan club can get kind of cruel and bothersome.

Most of these objections have been mentioned by one or more members of this forum during the two months I have been a member, so yes, I think that atheists have reasons why they first began to doubt and/or why they currently believe that God does not exist.

(emphasis is mine)

And you've refused to recognize the biggest. Lack of evidence.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Pollfail: no "objection #9": "If god is the source of moralilty, why do his followers like the OP spend so much time defending the indefensible?"

... and ...

no objection #10: "Surely an omnipotent god could conjure up better sales reps."

[robvalue]

#whatever: The bible is the most revolting book ever to be intended as non-fiction. It contains so much immorality that it's closer to a "how not to" guide.

The oral myth that this is in any way connected to what "God" wants is incredibly dangerous and needs to stop.

Society has changed since then. Our understanding has increased by such a factor that the attempts of primitive people trying to explain the world is of no relevance.

[KevinM1]

Why does god always need money? Does he gamble?

[Whateverist]

In this thread, we will be gathering the objections to theism in general and Christianity in particular.  Feel free to add your own to the thread.

1. If there's a loving God, why does this pain-wracked world groan under so much suffering and evil?
   
2. If there miracles of God contradict science, then how can any rational person believe they are true?
   
3. If God really created the universe, why does the persuasive evidence of science compel so many to conclude that the unguided process of evolution accounts for life?
   
4. If God is morally pure, how can He sanction the slaughter of innocent children as the Old Testament says He did?
   
5. If Jesus is the only way to heaven, then what about the millions of people who never heard of Him?
   
6. If God cares about the people He created, how could He consign so many of them to an eternity of torture in hell just because they didn't believe the right things about Him?
   
7. If God is the ultimate overseer of the Church, why has it been rife with hypocrisy and brutality through the ages?
   
8. If I'm still plagued by doubts, is it still possible to be a Christian?
   

I don't think or care about any of these questions.  None of them is germane to why I'm not a Christian.  Frankly all of these are like fan fiction from where I sit.  It is like wondering if Jon in Game of Thrones will come back to life and if so what manner of magic will be responsible?  Fun to ponder but we shouldn't forget we are talking about fictional characters.

How about: if I were the xtian god and looked forward to having all the good ones sitting around my table as soon as they die .. forever .. why make them imperfect and mortal to begin with.  If dinner with the lord forever is such a great thing, why not just create them there to begin with?  Understand, I don't have any problem myself with the character of God doing things His way.  I mean, hell, he is fucking God, right?  But in trying to develop a little empathy for this character, I just don't find his decisions very interesting.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why does god always need money?  Does he gamble?

Clearly, what does he do after finishing his opus?  Leaves the poor guy alone with a naked woman and hopes for the best.

[robvalue]

As Steve Shives was saying in that episode I posted yesterday, all the evidence points to a confused, inefficient and incompetent designer, if there is one. The designing was done right at the beginning, if it was done at all, and then left alone to go nuts. I feel 99% confident that this is the case. All perceived "interaction" is interpretation to fit already held beliefs. Psychology explains incredibly well how religion keeps going, regardless of whether there's any truth to it. The big two are placebo and confirmation bias.