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How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
The name of God gives us direction toward God, to the extent we know he is ultimate high to the extent he can't be higher.  Everything is perishing except what is directing us to this essence. Consequently, it's through his name that he guides out of the darkness to the light, and it's through his name that he blesses us and brings us closer to him.
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#12
RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
You lost me.
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
(July 28, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: You lost me.

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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
I would like to add the true way to see and judge ourselves is through his name as well.  The greater the brights of his name in us, the brighter the light of God's Names in us, the better we are at seeing who we are, although, we are all veiled from our true identity to a degree.
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
(July 28, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: You lost me.

It's connection by divine light.
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
It's connection by divine light, the names and attributes by which we call upon God, are a connection between ourselves and God, and the Signs of God within our souls. You assume we must be disconnected, but God created us through the truth of his reality, through his name. Everything has been given it's existence identity with regards to God's truth and name.

Your identity itself whatever treasures it has, is with God, and brought down in known measurement. And we can know that again through his name/face/identity in creation.
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
(July 28, 2015 at 11:18 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: Christian theists, why is it necessary to use descriptors which apply to nothing else in describing your God.
Probably because nothing else compares to God.

(July 28, 2015 at 11:18 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: If so why say that God is immeasurable, eternal, omnipotent and omniscient? Do we actually possess the means to determine if any of these claims are true? No.
If by determine your mean point to empirical evidence, then you may be correct; but it must always remain an open question. You cannot know for certain whether some kind of empirical evidence will someday appear. If you meant to include logical demonstrations based on immediate experience, then I refer you to Aquinas’s Five Ways. I am currently debating the validity of these in the Debate Area.

(July 28, 2015 at 11:18 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: For Christians, it seems, God is not the primary object of belief.
God is known by both reason applied to experience (general revelation) and by the Holy Scriptures (specific revelation). As such it would be more fitting to say that I “believe Jesus” rather than “believe in Jesus”.

(July 28, 2015 at 11:18 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: Do you admit that the mystery of God is first and foremost a mystery?
Many things about the Christian God are and remain a mystery. However, Christians believe that the rationality of the world reflects an intelligible God with many divine attributes capable of being known.
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
Regarding the light of God in the universe/name of God that gives light to all thing, I think to an extent it's like when in Lion King, Simba is told to look in the water and he will see his father, and he is told to look harder after saying it's just his reflection, and he then was told "see he lives in you".

Consequently his name is not just a dead concept but a living connection, a way God is with everything and closer to us then our jugular veins.
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
Matey, let's be honest.
Without the "afterlife" sales pitch, there is no religion or God.
Every argument is now a reverse engineering excercise subconciously in an attempt to validate that one AND only one point!

All apologetics are ultimately to satisfy the fragile ego. It was never anything else.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: How did little old us ever take the measure of unimaginably stupendous God?
(July 28, 2015 at 3:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(July 28, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: No I don't.  Can you cut and paste to here or maybe just link it?

There is a few arguments, but before going into these arguments...let's discuss non-argument faith. Most people who believe in God don't do so on arguments. They just feel it's obvious he exists like morality exists. They also feel they know he is the basis to morality, that they always wonder how Atheists can come to terms to believing in objective morality without God.

All the arguments, even yours, are fallacious. 

Quote:The arguments I doubt you will be convinced by them, but they do convince me. However, I believe in God before those arguments and I'm not sure if they even increased me in faith regardless of how convincing they are.

This is true about pretty much everyone that argues with the various philosophical arguments for a god.

The arguments for the existence of a god are not meant to convince non-believers, they are meant to give believers the illusion that they believe for rational reasons.

Quote:But if God exists, why do you think it's rational to assume he didn't give knowledge of himself to us?  Why do you assume it's not possible to be given knowledge of God?

well, he certainly hasn't done a very good job of it. 

There are and have been 1000's of gods believed in by humanity. None of them have any more evidence than any other. 

Why is he unable to make sure humanity has a unified knowledge of him?[/quote]

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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