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Are we teleporting?
#41
RE: Are we teleporting?
Just dont open your mind so much your brain falls off. Other than that, thread just got weird.
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#42
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 17, 2015 at 1:53 pm)pool Wrote:
(August 16, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Alex K Wrote: @pool
The only true answer: Currently, no one knows whether movement is continuous or discrete (whether it is discreet, well that's between you and your girlfriend). The problem is that the standard model of particle physics combined with general relativity breaks down near the planck scale, so we do not know what happens at shorter distances even in theory, let alone IRL. Current quantum theory treats movement as continuous and there is no evidence currently that this description is wrong. However, this could just be our ignorance of what goes on at shorter distances.

Movement is discreet,duh.
Continuity is only a concept,it's not practical.
What do you call the Set of numbers between 1 and 2?With the little cute decimal points?Yeah,that.
It's just a concept,it's not practically possible.What do you think happens in the set of natural numbers?Duh,teleportation.Discreet.
Teleporting from 1 to 2.From 2 to 3.From 3 to 4.From 4 to 5.Discreet.Duh.
It doesn't go from 1 to (insert all the numbers between 1 and 2) and then reach 2.

Think about it,if one had to travel from 1 to 2 in a continuous fashion one would have to go through all the infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2.Which means that it would take an infinite time period to get from 1 to 2.Duh.Which is not the case because i can move from my current position at time t to my future position at time t+1 in a finite period of time.

Tell you what,you do all the necessary math and we can share our Nobel prize.Sounds like a plan,right? Tongue
I mean,don't you get bored with doing the same problems again and again and again just in slightly different yet similar ways?Be a rebel - join the dark side,for all we know you just might win a Nobel prize.Why wouldn't Jesus just give me some mathematics :/ i thought he loved me...asshole.

*hides*

You start to sound like Salieri in Amadeus Smile

But to move along an uncountably infinite number of points in finite time, one has to spend infinitely short amounts of time at each of them. That's what Newton and Leibniz' differential calculus is all about.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#43
RE: Are we teleporting?
I think pool invented a new fallacy.

Argumentum ad Duh.

"Well, he was just so convincing because he said duh through his whole diatribe." -no one ever
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#44
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 17, 2015 at 4:36 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(August 17, 2015 at 1:53 pm)pool Wrote: Movement is discreet,duh.
Continuity is only a concept,it's not practical.
What do you call the Set of numbers between 1 and 2?With the little cute decimal points?Yeah,that.
It's just a concept,it's not practically possible.What do you think happens in the set of natural numbers?Duh,teleportation.Discreet.
Teleporting from 1 to 2.From 2 to 3.From 3 to 4.From 4 to 5.Discreet.Duh.
It doesn't go from 1 to (insert all the numbers between 1 and 2) and then reach 2.

Think about it,if one had to travel from 1 to 2 in a continuous fashion one would have to go through all the infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2.Which means that it would take an infinite time period to get from 1 to 2.Duh.Which is not the case because i can move from my current position at time t to my future position at time t+1 in a finite period of time.

Tell you what,you do all the necessary math and we can share our Nobel prize.Sounds like a plan,right? Tongue
I mean,don't you get bored with doing the same problems again and again and again just in slightly different yet similar ways?Be a rebel - join the dark side,for all we know you just might win a Nobel prize.Why wouldn't Jesus just give me some mathematics :/ i thought he loved me...asshole.

*hides*

You start to sound like Salieri in Amadeus Smile

But to move along an uncountably infinite number of points in finite time, one has to spend infinitely short amounts of time at each of them. That's what Newton and Leibniz' differential calculus is all about.

If that is the case then a movement from x+1 and x+1000 should have the same effect.Shouldn't it?

Edit: Effect as in,the same time taken...
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#45
RE: Are we teleporting?
I don't understand the question, can you make it more cromulent by embiggening it with some more words?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#46
RE: Are we teleporting?
According to you,If i had to travel from x to x+1[an infinite set of points] i'd have to move in such a way so as to spend an infinitely less amount of time in each points.
Does that mean that if i wiggle my toes,my toes are moving at an (almost)infinite speed?
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#47
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 18, 2015 at 6:48 am)Alex K Wrote: I don't understand the question, can you make it more cromulent by embiggening it with some more words?

Kayyyyy :>>
Have you tried to think about universe in terms of discontinuity? Rolleyes  I wonder if that's why you couldn't sleep these past few days
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#48
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 13, 2015 at 5:02 am)pool Wrote:


How about this. Space-time is a collection of static realities. As we drift through these realities, we are aware of the change with all our memories a part of that reality. My next reality shift could put me in another 'host' in which I have all the memories and awareness of that particular reality and no memory of any others as that is not a part of the 'present' reality. We could shift through infinite realities with only the memories and awareness of the one in which we are in.
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#49
RE: Are we teleporting?
I'm going to stress once more that continuity is not a possibility,it's probably one of the bugs of mathematics.

Think about it like this,
Imagine seeing a movie in your computer.
The movie - moving picture is one of the examples of continuity.This continuity is achieved by showing a collection of pictures really fast.

In the 1st second - a particular frame is shown.
In the 2nd second - the last frame is deleted and the next frame is shown.
In the 3rd second - the last frame is deleted and the next frame is shown.
and so on..

This is basically what continuity means,but is it really continuous? No it's not.It's discreet.It's basically teleportation(teleporting from 1 frame to the next to give the illusion of continuity).

Now imagine the above example like this:

In the 1st second - a particular frame is shown.
In the 2nd second - the next frame is shown.
In the 3rd second - the next frame is shown.
and so on..

This is true continuity.
As you can imagine - you won't be able to make sense of what is happening.
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#50
RE: Are we teleporting?
Suppose somebody really does believe in continuity.

Then that will force them to believe in all the "energy" bullshit of the spirituality stuff too.
Like one of my teachers told the class to not go in pairs to church or someplace like that because our "energy" will coincide with one another and it will create some sort of distortion.So we must go to places like that alone.
Obvious bullshit right? So no - no continuity.
This feels like one of those instances when people didn't give a second thought to why things appeared smaller when they were kept farther from the person looking at it.
We have been teleporting all along people.But that would also mean that there is no such thing as infinity.Because according to what K told me,moving through an infinite set of points by spending an infinitely less amount of time in each of the points is what calculus is all about?
But wouldn't that mean that if i travelled through an infinite set of points by spending an infinitely less amount of time in each of the points that i'm moving in at a(almost) speed of infinity?

But i'm not moving at an almost speed of infinity.
[Almost in the speed of infinity in the sense that if 100 is the speed of infinity then the speed of "almost at the speed of infinity" would be 100-(an infinitely small number)]

I'd be very much appreciate if someone could tell me why i'm wrong
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