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Are we teleporting?
#31
RE: Are we teleporting?
I wonder why they mix relativity with movement?
Is it so that one can measure distance traveled relative to something?
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#32
RE: Are we teleporting?
Say again, I'm not sure what you mean-
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#33
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 15, 2015 at 2:03 pm)pool Wrote: I wonder why they mix relativity with movement?
Is it so that one can measure distance traveled relative to something?

(August 15, 2015 at 2:42 pm)Alex K Wrote: Say again, I'm not sure what you mean-

If the ground i'm standing on is moving at a fixed rate of say x,then i'm also moving in a that rate.
In this case,i'm moving.But i'm not covering any distance relative to the ground.If i choose to move at a rate of say x+1 then i'm covering distance relative to the ground and also moving.
Meaning,i could be moving but not covering distance.
I don't think moving has to be relative to anything though.
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#34
RE: Are we teleporting?
No.

If Earth is moving with the speed v, and you are standing still, you are in a state of rest in reference to Earth. But in reference to the sun, you are moving with the speed of v. K?
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#35
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 15, 2015 at 2:57 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: No.

If Earth is moving with the speed v, and you are standing still, you are in a state of rest in reference to Earth but still moving. But in reference to the sun, you are moving with the speed of v. K?

Yeah. Angel
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#36
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 15, 2015 at 1:57 pm)pool Wrote:
(August 15, 2015 at 10:13 am)Alex K Wrote: No, I'm challenging you to come up with a good criterion for what you call being at rest, and what you call moving. My point being that you say that movement is special, because it is teleportation, and I'm saying how can you distinguish between teleportation happening or not at a given moment if whether there is movement depends entirely on what observer you ask. You then tried to argue that absolute movement is defined as moving relative to "space" (your picture) and now I wonder how space provides you with an absolute criterion with which you could tell movement from rest. Only then would it make sense to argue that something special is going on during movement Smile


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(August 15, 2015 at 2:42 pm)Alex K Wrote: Say again, I'm not sure what you mean-

Dammit get back here Kay!
Tell me why what i illustrate through my picture is false.
Is movement continuous or discreet? 
You aren't going anywhere without clearing that for me mister ):<

(Okay,before someone bites my head off,i mean absolute movement.I think..)
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#37
RE: Are we teleporting?
@pool
The only true answer: Currently, no one knows whether movement is continuous or discrete (whether it is discreet, well that's between you and your girlfriend). The problem is that the standard model of particle physics combined with general relativity breaks down near the planck scale, so we do not know what happens at shorter distances even in theory, let alone IRL. Current quantum theory treats movement as continuous and there is no evidence currently that this description is wrong. However, this could just be our ignorance of what goes on at shorter distances.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#38
RE: Are we teleporting?
Nothing in space is at a position of absolute rest as it is all moving relative to something else. The notion of anything being in a fixed
place is therefore totally false. As the Earth revolves around the Sun which revolves around the Milky Way which revolves around the
black hole at the centre of it all. That is not at a fixed point either since the Universe is expanding beyond light speed in all directions
because of dark energy. Although it is specifically the space between galaxies which is expanding rather than the galaxies themselves
But as a consequence of being pushed apart then they also are constantly occupying different points in space just like everything else

A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
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#39
RE: Are we teleporting?
(August 16, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Alex K Wrote: @pool
The only true answer: Currently, no one knows whether movement is continuous or discrete (whether it is discreet, well that's between you and your girlfriend). The problem is that the standard model of particle physics combined with general relativity breaks down near the planck scale, so we do not know what happens at shorter distances even in theory, let alone IRL. Current quantum theory treats movement as continuous and there is no evidence currently that this description is wrong. However, this could just be our ignorance of what goes on at shorter distances.

Movement is discreet,duh.
Continuity is only a concept,it's not practical.
What do you call the Set of numbers between 1 and 2?With the little cute decimal points?Yeah,that.
It's just a concept,it's not practically possible.What do you think happens in the set of natural numbers?Duh,teleportation.Discreet.
Teleporting from 1 to 2.From 2 to 3.From 3 to 4.From 4 to 5.Discreet.Duh.
It doesn't go from 1 to (insert all the numbers between 1 and 2) and then reach 2.

Think about it,if one had to travel from 1 to 2 in a continuous fashion one would have to go through all the infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2.Which means that it would take an infinite time period to get from 1 to 2.Duh.Which is not the case because i can move from my current position at time t to my future position at time t+1 in a finite period of time.

Tell you what,you do all the necessary math and we can share our Nobel prize.Sounds like a plan,right? Tongue
I mean,don't you get bored with doing the same problems again and again and again just in slightly different yet similar ways?Be a rebel - join the dark side,for all we know you just might win a Nobel prize.Why wouldn't Jesus just give me some mathematics :/ i thought he loved me...asshole.

*hides*
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#40
RE: Are we teleporting?
One takes any two irrational numbers each with an infinity of decimal places that are as close to each other as it is possible to be
then there shall exist another infinite set of numbers between them. And between those numbers is another infinite set and so on
and so on ad infinitum. And what is even more mind bending is that there exists an infinity of infinities where some are larger than
others. Now it is important not to confuse mathematical infinity with physical infinity for they are not the same. Mathematical infinity
is not conditional upon physical reality as mathematics is an abstract discipline. So the horizontal number line for example extends to
infinity on both sides emanating from the exact centre which is zero. It is the exact centre as it is the only non negative / non positive
integer on the entire line. There is also the vertical number line where imaginary numbers such as the square root of minus one reside
There may also be other number lines which have not yet been discovered as mathematicians have no need for them as of yet. Now on
to physical infinity. It has to obey the laws of physics as it is a phenomena in four dimensional space. Even if there exists no explanation
for it one has to be found that would fit into the overall explanatory framework for how it interacts with all other phenomena. And this is
completely different to mathematical infinity that does not have to obey any physical laws since it dos not reside in physical space as such

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