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September 4, 2015 at 10:07 pm
dragging us into wars all over the world.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/world/...=5043&_r=0
Quote:Exodus of Syrians Highlights Political Failure of the West
So, a bunch of people start a rebellion and it somehow becomes the West's problem to save their asses when they find out that they bit off more than they could chew? Was "the west" consulted beforehand?
"Hey, West. We're going to start a shitload of trouble and if things go badly will you pull our nuts out of the fire?"
I don't think that happened.
Now there is a vast humanitarian crisis and the EU finds itself stuck between its rhetoric and reality. Good luck. Want to borrow Donald Trump for a little while?
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September 4, 2015 at 10:28 pm
Goyim kills goyim and everybody blames the Jews.
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 4, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Western Civilisation: Of COURSE we'll help your massive humanitarian clusterfucks! But, you know...as long as you stay over there. You all smell funny after all.
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 4, 2015 at 11:08 pm
We only want to import goods. Not people. People cost money.
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 4, 2015 at 11:51 pm
The rioting over being stuck in Hungary is bullshit. They're in a safer place, but unhappy ... because they cannot get to a wealthier country.
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 5, 2015 at 1:33 am
Actually, the direct cause of this humanitarian disaster is the "Arab Spring", which merged the rising tide of armed Jihadism - a direct outgrowth of the American war in Iraq, with suppression of native regimes capable of keeping the armed jihadism in check - another artifact of both the war in Iraq, and Hillary's brain dead fantasy about overthrowing authoritarianism in favor of "democracy" during the said "Arab Spring".
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 5, 2015 at 1:38 am
Anne Barnard is a moron ignorant of history. The current malaise in the Middle East is not the result of Western diplomacy, nor could diplomacy, the way Barnard envisions, have prevented what is currently going on. Wahhabism's influence began in the 18th century with it's marriage of convenience to the house of Saud.
Saudi Arabia and Turkey could easily wipe out Isis, but after several years have proven themselves to be reluctant. The only diplomacy that can serve those devastated by what's going on is to give Turkey and KSA an ultimatum: clean this shit up because if the West has to get involved we'll simply recolonize the region.
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 5, 2015 at 1:47 am
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(September 5, 2015 at 1:38 am)Cato Wrote: Anne Barnard is a moron ignorant of history. The current malaise in the Middle East is not the result of Western diplomacy, nor could diplomacy, the way Barnard envisions, have prevented what is currently going on. Wahhabism's influence began in the 18th century with it's marriage of convenience to the house of Saud.
Saudi Arabia and Turkey could easily wipe out Isis, but after several years have proven themselves to be reluctant. The only diplomacy that can serve those devastated by what's going on is to give Turkey and KSA an ultimatum: clean this shit up because if the West has to get involved we'll simply recolonize the region.
As if any part of the west has the stomach to think about recolonizing the region, much less to actually pay the price when the bill for the first installments come in.
Saudi Arabian monarchy is total incapable of surviving of direct confrontation with Sunni Jihadism. It only survived this far by appeasing jihadists whenever it can so as to make sure that toppling the monarchy is never the top most agenda item for the jihadists. Turkey is playing a double game precisely because Turkey has become aware it will never be fully accepted by the west, and in the post cold war world, it's only really hope for significance is to string the west along as long as it can, while it takes the opportunity to establish itself as the arbiter of power in the middle east, exploiting the antipathy the muslim east holds for the west. Turkey has no intention of being seen by the Jihadists as being pro-west.
BTW, the only reason why Turkey is "joining" in the "Fight" against ISIS is because it's "contribution" is a convenient cover for Turkey to bomb the Kurds. In the name of fighting ISIS, Turkey will do absolutely no fighting against ISIS, instead it would be using the opportunity to crush it's long time enemy the Kurds, who so happen to be actually fighting the ISIS.
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 5, 2015 at 2:01 am
Chuck,
Good points all as long as we agree by Turkey we mean Erdogan and his supporters. I think Erdogan is misplaying his hand with this conflict. Erdogan doesn't have control like the royalty in KSA has. If the Arab Spring ever penetrates Turkey, which the refugee crisis and boarder clashes have a potential of fomenting, he's doomed.
Despite Islam being the dominant religion and some of the more recent conservative slants in their politics, Turkey is much more secular than I think people that haven't visited assume.
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RE: This is the Kind of Bullshit That Keeps
September 5, 2015 at 4:11 am
(September 4, 2015 at 10:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: dragging us into wars all over the world.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/05/world/...=5043&_r=0
Quote:Exodus of Syrians Highlights Political Failure of the West
So, a bunch of people start a rebellion and it somehow becomes the West's problem to save their asses when they find out that they bit off more than they could chew? Was "the west" consulted beforehand?
"Hey, West. We're going to start a shitload of trouble and if things go badly will you pull our nuts out of the fire?"
I don't think that happened.
Now there is a vast humanitarian crisis and the EU finds itself stuck between its rhetoric and reality. Good luck. Want to borrow Donald Trump for a little while?
Hey aren't these the same assholds that dmsay we are sinful infidels and should be wiped out?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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