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RE: What should John do?
September 13, 2015 at 8:52 pm
(September 13, 2015 at 8:41 pm)strawberryBacteria Wrote: (September 13, 2015 at 8:13 pm)Losty Wrote: That is very confusing, and I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure that's not even possible.
Well there's a whole lot of discussion regarding simulated reality and its physical plausibility, but those things aside, let's just say John have one handy on his PC in the text-conjured universe he's living in 
Simulated reality...sure I can see that. With actual sentient beings somehow living inside it....for real? No. What is the purpose of the exercise? What are you actually trying to learn from us? How would we behave if we were god?
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RE: What should John do?
September 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm
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(September 13, 2015 at 8:46 pm)Darkstar Wrote: but if these people posses actual sentience rather than the mere illusion of it, then this 'game' has frightening moral implications. Or maybe that was your point... 
Yup, that's the spice of the story 
(September 13, 2015 at 8:46 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Maybe John could compromise and have them rescued by aliens? Aliens with crazy technology that resets the star to an age where the civilization could mature and escape in time.
May I ask why how/why you came up with this particular scenario?
That's a pretty creative way around John's dilemma, I wouldn't have thought of that 
Well, I like good hard sci-fi stories with bits of personal dilemmas in them, so I thought of writing a short one and posting it here for the fun of a healthy collaborative brainstorming!
(September 13, 2015 at 8:52 pm)Losty Wrote: Simulated reality...sure I can see that. With actual sentient beings somehow living inside it....for real? No. What is the purpose of the exercise? What are you actually trying to learn from us? How would we behave if we were god?
No, I just wanted to know what people think of how John should tackle his personal dilemma. (and what's the purpose of the offtopic section if not for something like this!  )
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 1:48 am
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Losty, I hate to break it to you, but no-one here can tell you that we AREN'T those people in a VR Simulation.
The only thing you know for sure are that your mind is creating thoughts.
If I was John, I'd just let the sim run its natural course. Then again, I don't believe life is precious.
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 2:04 am
Brain in a jar and all that.
John should give them the truth, these sentient AI's are level-headed enough not to believe in deities so they should be able to grasp the situation if he spells it out for them. Then he can halt the star's progression.
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 3:28 am
HAHA, Starv! you made me think of something. Let's say that we are in a VR.
Let's say our sim creator decided to reveal himself because he didn't like the way the sim was progressing or he was getting cocky and wanted to reveal himself. What does he do? He sends "Jesus" down to interface with us to hint to us about his existence!
Everyone down on your knees, let us pray to our one true creator and saviour, he goes by the name of errr, uhmm ....John?!
John, if you're watching, doin' it a little tough dude, can you just help me out by letting me win the lotto in the next week or 2? thanks Brah!
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 5:36 am
The idea that the simulation can simply be re-run is what's mistaken here. The arrow of time still applies and only flies one direction. This means there isn't really any going back in time. It's destroying the current scenario and replacing it with another; more like Project Genesis from Star Trek II than the TARDIS.
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 7:25 am
Sum ergo sum
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 9:05 am
Why doesn't he Kirk the shit out of it and reprogram the simulation so it's possible to save the planet?
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 9:17 am
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... of if you've made yourself into an electronic god.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: What should John do?
September 14, 2015 at 9:22 am
This shit is too bizarre for me to be a brain in a jar ._.
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