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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 14, 2015 at 6:18 pm
(September 14, 2015 at 6:14 pm)I_am_not_mafia Wrote: How the hell can a hospital be Catholic?? I agree, this shouldn't even be a thing. It's totally unnecessary and opens the way for incidents like this to happen. It's shameful it hasn't been closed down already.
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 14, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Unfortunately it will probably take a tragedy before the courts will truly intervene and the catholics will have to change their position.
It's happening in Omaha, NE. 14 hospitals, 3 are either not open to the public (1 vets hospital) or do not perform surgery. Another is limited to children. The catholics (known as CHI) now own 6. That leaves 4 hospitals not catholic for the population. The percent of the population in Omaha that is catholic is 24%.
To be an employee you have to agree that you believe in a creator among other things,.
They plan to expand into insurance.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/.../307169965
I find this all disturbing.
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 14, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Maybe it shouldn't be a thing, but I can say that where I live, finding a hospital that isn't religiously affiliated and covered by my insurance ain't that easy. The largest hospital network in the area is Catholic. Adventist Health is run by... guess who?
A local public university runs a secular hospital, and Kaiser Permanente I think is secular (but my insurance is no good there). Legacy Health was formed by the merger of two faith-based healthcare providers, I have no idea what their affiliation is now (if any).
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 15, 2015 at 2:57 am
(September 14, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Aroura Wrote: She has a brain tumor and that isn't enough to get her an exemption from their stupid rule on sterilization?
What, they want more orphans, right?? RIGHT????
They obviously expect of her to be abstinent. You think St. Paul was joking when he said "From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not." or “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” - sure sane people see this as ranting of a lunatic, but to Christians it's a credo. They see it as God's way of telling that woman to stop having sex and devote herself to next life and possibly even holy Crapture.
Especially when it's run with all those nuns who look at normal women with disgust for having sex and think if they can do all their life without "it" surely this one can stop being addicted to that "sinful male organ".
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 15, 2015 at 4:58 am
This is ridiculous.
Quick question: is it a state funded hospital or a private one? If it's state funded, then I don't see how it could also be "Catholic" and make decisions on a religious basis.
Even if it's a private one, it's stupid. Would they allow Satanist hospitals who did rituals to ask the dark lord's favour before each operation?
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 15, 2015 at 5:26 am
I don't really get why this is a story.
The article says the procedure is not an emergency. Why can't she just go find another hospital?
If she is Catholic herself and believes the tripe then she can always just stop having sex. That's what a good Catholic would do, right?
If she's not then she needs to find another hospital and I question why she has to go to a Catholic one in the first place.
This just seems to me to be another reason why American healthcare sucks balls. It's more the fact that you can even have a religious institution trumping the medical advice of doctors that's the issue. Catholic hospitals shouldn't even be a thing.
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 15, 2015 at 6:40 am
Yeah luckily she can still go to other hospitals but if you live in places like Philippines you can forget it unless you can pay large price in maybe three private hospitals, because all of them are Catholic. Same with vasectomy. Abortion is against the law.
Or take El Salvador, where abortion is also illegal under all circumstances. There are no exceptions for rape or incest. The moment a woman shows up at a hospital with a perforated uterus, indicating that she has had a back-alley abortion, she is shackled to her hospital bed and her body is treated as a crime scene. There are women now serving prison sentences thirty years long for terminating their pregnancies. in a country that also stigmatizes the use of contraception as a sin against God.
So since everyone's favorite asshole, Pope Francis, is coming in US soon he'll probably talk how abortion and contraception should be illegal, similarly to 1999 when Pope John Paul II, who declared, on a visit to Mexico City in 1999, that "the church must proclaim the Gospel of life and speak out with prophetic force against the culture of death. May the continent of hope also be the continent of life!" which is thought that helped Archbishop of San Salvador to outlaw abortion.
I mean certainly Catholic church does not have that big influence in US but still he'll probably stir some shit with rednecks that think alike. Maybe he'll go to that hospital kiss everything in it.
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 15, 2015 at 10:32 am
(September 15, 2015 at 4:58 am)robvalue Wrote: This is ridiculous.
Quick question: is it a state funded hospital or a private one? If it's state funded, then I don't see how it could also be "Catholic" and make decisions on a religious basis.
Even if it's a private one, it's stupid. Would they allow Satanist hospitals who did rituals to ask the dark lord's favour before each operation? They are private but receive significant funding from the state. The ones in my post receive millions (if not billions) yearly through the government funded programs of Medicare and Medicaid. Without these funds their continued existence would be doubtful.
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 15, 2015 at 10:35 am
(September 14, 2015 at 6:28 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: A local public university runs a secular hospital, and Kaiser Permanente I think is secular (but my insurance is no good there). Legacy Health was formed by the merger of two faith-based healthcare providers, I have no idea what their affiliation is now (if any).
Even secular hospitals aren't without their drawbacks and bureaucratic bullshit:
A have a friend who was in her fifties and diagnosed with leukemia. She got it treated and went into remission but it came back about 5 years later. When she went into Kaiser Permanent to seek treatment the recommended course was to treat her back into remission and then get her a bone marrow transplant (from her brother), but when it came time to authorize the transplant Kaiser stalled her and her doctors out so that they could determine whether it was "necessary surgery." The doctors were ready to perform the procedure, the brother was ready and willing, my friend was rearing to go, but administrators and insurance put the kibosh on the whole thing. Due to the delay because of the stupid "authorization" process, the leukemia came back and she died.
As much as it bothers me that religion intrudes into even our healthcare systems, I equally cannot stand the degree to which bureaucrats and insurance companies can interfere with patient treatment.
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RE: Catholic hospital refuses to tie woman's tubes
September 15, 2015 at 10:38 am
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(September 15, 2015 at 10:32 am)mh.brewer Wrote: (September 15, 2015 at 4:58 am)robvalue Wrote: This is ridiculous.
Quick question: is it a state funded hospital or a private one? If it's state funded, then I don't see how it could also be "Catholic" and make decisions on a religious basis.
Even if it's a private one, it's stupid. Would they allow Satanist hospitals who did rituals to ask the dark lord's favour before each operation? They are private but receive significant funding from the state. The ones in my post receive millions (if not billions) yearly through the government funded programs of Medicare and Medicaid. Without these funds their continued existence would be doubtful.
This is bullshit then. If it's state funded, even partially, it should have no religious bias.
Right?
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