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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:40 pm
(September 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 5:19 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: The question I would seriously like to see answered is why it's so hard for people who pull the "Stalin was an atheist mass murderer!" trope out to stop, look at the responses, and go,
"Okay, I guess that's a fair point, that he wasn't killing because of his atheism but because he was silencing anyone who stood in the way of his power or who was perceived as a threat to it, like tyrants have done throughout history."
They just go right on believing that when the Conquistadors committed mass murder, it wasn't because they were Christians but because they were power- and wealth-hungry sociopaths... yet when atheist power- and wealth-hungry sociopaths do it, IT'S BECAUSE THEY WERE ATHEISTS! Aaaaaaaaah! Evil atheists!! Aaaaaaaah!
The reason the connection between atheism and Stalin or Pol Pot is so obvious is because what they did is a natural result of what they believed.
Human life is of no real value if natural selection means that only the strong survive or that less desirable elements of our society - like the Jews, the Poles, the Blacks, the mentally handicapped, etc. (cf. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood) - should be eliminated.
And despite the attempts to find a Christian parallel from some dusty period of history, there simply aren't isn't anything like the murder committed under atheist communist regimes in the supposedly enlightened modern era.
So much for mankind evolving into a better and better version of itself.
Holy shit, dude. That's not even close to a legitimate reading of what evolution teaches.
The reason there's not anything like the mass murders of the modern era is very very simple. So pay attention:
1) There are WAY more people in the 20th/21st centuries than any previous centuries.
2) Technology of moving people and killing people is WAY better than any previous centuries.
And no, they didn't kill people "because of what they believed" (at least, not in terms of atheism), they killed people who stood in the way of their empires. As empire-building tyrants have always done. They just had more people to kill and better tools for the job.
As I posted previously, if you look at the murders done during the first four Crusades alone, on a per-capita basis (as a percent of the total world population at the time), it amounts to roughly 34 million people killed, today.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:42 pm
(September 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: So much for mankind evolving into a better and better version of itself.
That is not neccessarily what evolution implies. We evolve to suit our environment, like a puddle. The water fits the hole. 'Better' is subjective.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:42 pm
(September 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm)abaris Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Napoléon Wrote: 60 pages...
And it even had some quality until Huggy came in. Randy's of course in his element now. Copy pasting as if there's no tomorrow.
But for all that, you can't actually refute anything that I post, can you?
Hence, you belittle me for doing so because you have nothing else to say.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:43 pm
Randy, most of what you're saying now is just a rehash of what Huggy already posted (albeit in a more aggressive form), and has already been refuted. Take some time to read the previous 10 pages or so.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:45 pm
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(September 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: If you have some expertise in this area, Crossless, then I will defer to you. But let me say that a quick Google search returns quite a number of articles suggesting that Hitler and the Nazis were eager to incorporate some of Nietzsche's ideas into their own plans and thinking.
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Let me put it this way: Hitler and the National Socialists incorporated Nietzsche in rather the same way that some crackpots in the Christian camp "incorporate" the Bible into their worldviews without bothering to responsibly read the Bible and really understand it. I'm pretty certain that Nietzsche would have hated Hitler's fucking guts.
And if I may ask a follow up:
How did the Nazis use Nietzsche for their own purposes - or what did they find in his writings that enabled them to justify their own actions?
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:46 pm
Hokay. On that note, it's a beautiful evening, and I'm gonna go ride for a bit. Ta ta for now, y'all!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:47 pm
(September 22, 2015 at 5:43 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Randy, most of what you're saying now is just a rehash of what Huggy already posted (albeit in a more aggressive form), and has already been refuted. Take some time to read the previous 10 pages or so.
And it's been done to death in other threads very recently, also.
We don't have to replay it now.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Randy has been clinging to the "Stalin was an Atheist" argument for so long he's worn finger-holes in it. We'd need an arc-welder and The Jaws of Life to pry it away from him.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:48 pm
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(September 22, 2015 at 5:42 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: But for all that, you can't actually refute anything that I post, can you?
Hence, you belittle me for doing so because you have nothing else to say.
No, Randy. I'm just a person who doesn't like to repeat himself, since I went to great lenghts in other threads explaining the matter at hand. If you're interested, you can easily look them up.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 5:52 pm
(September 22, 2015 at 5:47 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Randy has been clinging to the "Stalin was an Atheist" argument for so long he's worn finger-holes in it. We'd need an arc-welder and The Jaws of Life to pry it away from him.
Not really. I hadn't actually thought about it until a few months ago.
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