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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 6:46 am
(September 22, 2015 at 3:38 am)robvalue Wrote: Mystic:
I hope your book works out well. I want to point out however that weak atheism cannot be "wrong". It is the default state of not feeling strongly enough to believe in God, nor strongly enough to rule it out as a possibility. It makes no claims, so it cannot be wrong.
If you are talking against strong atheism, the active belief that there is no God, that is a different matter to which I think you should be explicit about.
What I will be showing regarding Atheism (weak version), is to show is that we all been given knowledge of God, his oneness, his holy names, and there is many proofs that we do have this knowledge even if we convince ourselves we don't, and the Quran reminds us of knowledge with this regard that we take for granted and act upon that is not possible without acknowledging his existence and lordship and active role in the universe inwardly, even if we don't acknowledge it outwardly. An example of this is ranks we are given, blessings, actions we inherit, and what Quran describes to be their reality in the metaphysical world, and everyone believes in this type of reality and takes it for granted when interacting with humans, even Atheists, but sort of ignore it and don't think about it.
I will be dealing with these verses and it's link to Suratal Fatiha (the 7 counter parts).
A lot of people think Quran has nothing to say regarding Atheism. I've heard this from many Muslims specially the Salafis. But it's because this of the stuff dark forces (I hope I turned you on Losty  ) don't want us to see as well.
There is verses like "to him ascend the good word, and righteous action lifts it" that has not been elaborated about with respect to Suratal Fatiha the 7 counter parts of the Quran. Quran addresses all differences, including Atheism.
I'm not saying Atheists will all say "O wow, this is true" nor Christians nor Sunnis, but I hope it will guide some people when I write the elaboration of Quran with respect to Suratal Fatiha, then Suratal Fatiha being called the 7 counter parts, it will be seen why it's called that, which maybe seen as a miracle in the heart or not, I'm not sure, it's up to the capacity of people to appreciate. It seems like a miracle to me.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 6:52 am
(September 22, 2015 at 6:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 3:38 am)robvalue Wrote: Mystic:
I hope your book works out well. I want to point out however that weak atheism cannot be "wrong". It is the default state of not feeling strongly enough to believe in God, nor strongly enough to rule it out as a possibility. It makes no claims, so it cannot be wrong.
If you are talking against strong atheism, the active belief that there is no God, that is a different matter to which I think you should be explicit about.
What I will be showing regarding Atheism (weak version), is to show is that we all been given knowledge of God, his oneness, his holy names, and there is many proofs that we do have this knowledge even if we convince ourselves we don't, and the Quran reminds us of knowledge with this regard that we take for granted and act upon that is not possible without acknowledging his existence and lordship and active role in the universe inwardly, even if we don't acknowledge it outwardly. An example of this is ranks we are given, blessings, actions we inherit, and what Quran describes to be their reality in the metaphysical world, and everyone believes in this type of reality and takes it for granted when interacting with humans, even Atheists, but sort of ignore it and don't think about it.
I will be dealing with these verses and it's link to Suratal Fatiha (the 7 counter parts).
A lot of people think Quran has nothing to say regarding Atheism. I've heard this from many Muslims specially the Salafis. But it's because this of the stuff dark forces (I hope I turned you on Losty ) don't want us to see as well.
There is verses like "to him ascend the good word, and righteous action lifts it" that has not been elaborated about with respect to Suratal Fatiha the 7 counter parts of the Quran. Quran addresses all differences, including Atheism.
I'm not saying Atheists will all say "O wow, this is true" nor Christians nor Sunnis, but I hope it will guide some people when I write the elaboration of Quran with respect to Suratal Fatiha, then Suratal Fatiha being called the 7 counter parts, it will be seen why it's called that, which maybe seen as a miracle in the heart or not, I'm not sure, it's up to the capacity of people to appreciate. It seems like a miracle to me. Okay you wonna defeat weak atheism. Prove right here that Mohammad actually had Gabriel appear inbthat cave. Prove to me that a all knowing being decided to communicate with us by appearing to one illiterate to man and making him memorize the message. That to me sounds like a fantastical bullshit story. But you want me to even consider taking the Quran seriously you have to prove that independently first. As in I don't give a shit want the Quran says of its own truth.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 7:09 am
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(September 22, 2015 at 6:52 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Okay you wonna defeat weak atheism. Prove right here that Mohammad actually had Gabriel appear inbthat cave. Prove to me that a all knowing being decided to communicate with us by appearing to one illiterate to man and making him memorize the message. That to me sounds like a fantastical bullshit story. But you want me to even consider taking the Quran seriously you have to prove that independently first. As in I don't give a shit want the Quran says of its own truth.
I use to deny Messengers and Angels, for five years I did this. This year has been a year of awakening. This year knowledge has come to me in a way it hasn't ever before. It takes a lot of patience and reflection to get through the dark night of the soul. Have patience, reflect, and hope for guidance, and God willingly you will be guided.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 7:17 am
(September 22, 2015 at 7:09 am)MysticKnight Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 6:52 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Okay you wonna defeat weak atheism. Prove right here that Mohammad actually had Gabriel appear inbthat cave. Prove to me that a all knowing being decided to communicate with us by appearing to one illiterate to man and making him memorize the message. That to me sounds like a fantastical bullshit story. But you want me to even consider taking the Quran seriously you have to prove that independently first. As in I don't give a shit want the Quran says of its own truth.
I use to deny Messengers and Angels, for five years I did this. This year has been a year of awakening. This year knowledge has come to me in a way it hasn't ever before. It takes a lot of patience and reflection to get through the dark night of the soul. Have patience, reflect, and hope for guidance, and God willingly you will be guided.
Okay? Well next time the angels come could ask them something we don't know like the exact nature of dark matter? We could really use a little more knowledge there.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 7:20 am
(September 22, 2015 at 6:16 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 5:48 am)Huggy74 Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
Communist oppression of religion wasn't about promoting atheism; it was about promoting the State as the sole source of authority, guidance, and power. That wasn't militant atheism, but militant power dynamics. Theists pretty much never get this right because it's far more convenient to say, "Look! Stalin was an atheist and he was HORRIBLE!"
Never mind the fact that this is virtually the only example they come up with that isn't an outright misrepresentation (Hitler gets mentioned a lot, but he was Christian). Never mind the fact that religious people (some even claiming to be deities themselves) likely comprise the vast majority of history's most brutal rulers. Never mind that religious violence is far more typical and rampant than atheist violence. Never mind that atheists make up less than 1% of prison populations even though they comprise up to 23% of the general, American populace. Never mind any of that...atheists are bad people, and militant atheists are just like Stalin.
Fuck off with that shit. That link was about state sponsored atheism not communism, there are religious groups that are communist. In fact, if one were to define biblical Christianity it could be defined as socialism, as they have much in common.
Marx, Lenin and Stalin however were all atheists. Are you so naive to Think that their atheism had no bearing on their political ideology? Stalin is attributed with a estimated body count of between 20-60 million, I defy you to find one religious figure who tops that....
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 7:35 am
(September 22, 2015 at 7:09 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I use to deny Messengers and Angels, for five years I did this. This year has been a year of awakening. This year knowledge has come to me in a way it hasn't ever before. It takes a lot of patience and reflection to get through the dark night of the soul. Have patience, reflect, and hope for guidance, and God willingly you will be guided.
That doesn't even come close to addressing what Lemon said.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 7:44 am
(September 22, 2015 at 7:35 am)Stimbo Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 7:09 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I use to deny Messengers and Angels, for five years I did this. This year has been a year of awakening. This year knowledge has come to me in a way it hasn't ever before. It takes a lot of patience and reflection to get through the dark night of the soul. Have patience, reflect, and hope for guidance, and God willingly you will be guided.
That doesn't even come close to addressing what Lemon said.
You wanted me to write a post proving Mohammad (s) is a Prophet instead?
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 7:50 am
Me? I don't want you to do anything. However, Lemon asked you to:
Quote:Prove right here that Mohammad actually had Gabriel appear inbthat cave. Prove to me that a all knowing being decided to communicate with us by appearing to one illiterate to man and making him memorize the message. That to me sounds like a fantastical bullshit story. But you want me to even consider taking the Quran seriously you have to prove that independently first.
Instead you gave the standard "open your heart and you'll learn the truth one day" speech.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 8:10 am
(September 22, 2015 at 7:20 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Marx, Lenin and Stalin however were all atheists. Are you so naive to Think that their atheism had no bearing on their political ideology? Stalin is attributed with a estimated body count of between 20-60 million, I defy you to find one religious figure who tops that....
God.....
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: The Atheist Obsession with Insulting Christians
September 22, 2015 at 8:11 am
(September 22, 2015 at 7:20 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (September 22, 2015 at 6:16 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Communist oppression of religion wasn't about promoting atheism; it was about promoting the State as the sole source of authority, guidance, and power. That wasn't militant atheism, but militant power dynamics. Theists pretty much never get this right because it's far more convenient to say, "Look! Stalin was an atheist and he was HORRIBLE!"
Never mind the fact that this is virtually the only example they come up with that isn't an outright misrepresentation (Hitler gets mentioned a lot, but he was Christian). Never mind the fact that religious people (some even claiming to be deities themselves) likely comprise the vast majority of history's most brutal rulers. Never mind that religious violence is far more typical and rampant than atheist violence. Never mind that atheists make up less than 1% of prison populations even though they comprise up to 23% of the general, American populace. Never mind any of that...atheists are bad people, and militant atheists are just like Stalin.
Fuck off with that shit. That link was about state sponsored atheism not communism, there are religious groups that are communist. In fact, if one were to define biblical Christianity it could be defined as socialism, as they have much in common.
Marx, Lenin and Stalin however were all atheists. Are you so naive to Think that their atheism had no bearing on their political ideology? Stalin is attributed with a estimated body count of between 20-60 million, I defy you to find one religious figure who tops that....
God. Numerous times.
You're very bad at this.
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