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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 5:16 pm
(September 28, 2015 at 10:43 pm)Thena323 Wrote: A Sword in a Field
A short clip from the 1999 film The Messenger : I find it somewhat relevant to the mystery surrounding the empty tomb; at least in regards as to how people examine possibilities.
That ben Kingsley?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 5:41 pm
(October 1, 2015 at 10:47 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 10:24 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: Considering your picture I would of thought you would be concerning yourself more with the potential extinction of the honey bee and how that would set off a chain reaction that would be devastating to the eco system and could even collapse it entirely but you know...
I guess fictional zombies are cool too... a little last year but whatever.
It's the Georgia Tech mascot. I almost went to college there on scholarship, before I decided on USAFA.
Were you there as part of a sting operation?
Thank you, tip your waitresses.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:09 pm
(October 1, 2015 at 5:41 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 10:47 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It's the Georgia Tech mascot. I almost went to college there on scholarship, before I decided on USAFA.
Were you there as part of a sting operation?
Thank you, tip your waitresses.
Funny!
The Ga Tech campus was host to the '96 Summer Olympics. I went to college in '94, so I'd have been there for it. It was a pretty good incentive to choose that school, since I originally majored in Aerospace/Mechanical Engineering, before I changed to Bio/Chem.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:24 pm
(October 1, 2015 at 9:02 am)Irrational Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 8:49 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I can only conclude that you are willfully being dishonest, at this point.
He has to believe what he's arguing is true at all costs. Otherwise, his hopes would be shattered.
Empty rhetoric that is equally true of atheists and their denials.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:27 pm
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(October 1, 2015 at 9:03 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 8:57 am)Randy Carson Wrote: How does that concept apply here at AF where you all accept and believe everything that a fellow atheist posts while automatically dismissing anything posted by a theist?
Doesn't this forum exist (in part) as a support group for non-believers?
"Support group" makes it sound like we're alcoholics! Heh.
Yes, it's a community for us. If you call this a "support group", then so are your church services and socials.
Of course. This is not a problem for believers. We know we need community. We are one body.
(October 1, 2015 at 9:23 am)Cato Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 8:57 am)Randy Carson Wrote: How does that concept apply here at AF where you all accept and believe everything that a fellow atheist posts while automatically dismissing anything posted by a theist?
Doesn't this forum exist (in part) as a support group for non-believers?
This is demonstrably false; easily so. Atheists here disagree on any number of things daily.
(October 1, 2015 at 9:03 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Please watch the "eyewitness experiment" video, and understand what we're actually talking about, here. Please?
Also, it's kind of stupid of you to say that we agree with each other; we fight over all kinds of issues, almost constantly.
Not on the central issue that gave the forum its name, rocket.
But now I've been accused of being intentionally dishonest and stupid by you in one day. The tone of our dialogue has definitely changed...
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:29 pm
(October 1, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:03 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: "Support group" makes it sound like we're alcoholics! Heh.
Yes, it's a community for us. If you call this a "support group", then so are your church services and socials.
Of course. This is not a problem for believers. We know we need community.
Quote:Please watch the "eyewitness experiment" video, and understand what we're actually talking about, here. Please?
Also, it's kind of stupid of you to say that we agree with each other; we fight over all kinds of issues, almost constantly.
Not on the central issue that gave the forum its name, rocket.
But now I've been accused of being intentionally dishonest and stupid by you in one day. The tone of our dialogue has definitely changed...
I agree it has changed. You have asserted that atheists have no basis for morality, for community, and that we disregard real evidence despite our adoration of the Scientific Method.
But yeah, I'm the one being a dick. 
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:33 pm
(October 1, 2015 at 6:29 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 6:27 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Of course. This is not a problem for believers. We know we need community.
Not on the central issue that gave the forum its name, rocket.
But now I've been accused of being intentionally dishonest and stupid by you in one day. The tone of our dialogue has definitely changed...
I agree it has changed. You have asserted that atheists have no basis for morality,
In discussion with you? Where? What post?
Quote:for community,
No basis for community? When? Where?
Quote:and that we disregard real evidence despite our adoration of the Scientific Method.
If I haven't said this recently, I should have. Most of the folks here read every post I make with presuppositions that prevent them from considering what I'm saying.
Is that how real scientists examine evidence and theories, etc?
Quote:But yeah, I'm the one being a dick.
Your call. 
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Bad at sarcasm, I see.
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A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:39 pm
Why do you even bother, Rocket?
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RE: We can be certain of NO resurrection - A Response
October 1, 2015 at 6:49 pm
(October 1, 2015 at 9:46 am)robvalue Wrote: (October 1, 2015 at 9:23 am)Cato Wrote: This is demonstrably false; easily so. Atheists here disagree on any number of things daily.
This just goes to show Randy hasn't bothered to look any further than a few posts and subforums. Of course all atheists are going to agree that Christianity is unconvincing, by definition. I've suggested to him and others that they actually try and engage with us by stepping out of the preaching circle and into the rest of the forum, but no interest has been shown. He's only here to preach at us.
I'm honestly surprised he wasn't warned/dinged for openly offering to convert Drich to Catholicism in one of the threads (I think it was the rapture thread). Because that oversteps "just having a discussion" and really should've been something sent via PM, if at all, IMO
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