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RE: Quandary
October 24, 2015 at 6:52 pm
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That mysterious? We'd need to appeal to strange and unknown science? That sounds incredible. Sounds compelling.
(thx for the replies, btw, as per the last portion. I don't know that you'd need any more explanation/justification than "I changed my mind". It happens.)
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RE: Quandary
October 24, 2015 at 8:43 pm
Cinjin, I would say that you are not a deist because a deist believes there is a god. From what you say, you only hope there is a god or think there might be. An atheist could hope there is a god.
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RE: Quandary
October 24, 2015 at 10:53 pm
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(October 24, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Cinjin Wrote: (October 23, 2015 at 8:52 pm)Evie Wrote: You mean your own experiences of other things that you almost certainly incorrectly mistook for experiences of spirits/ghosts.
It's possible I suppose. I wouldn't say "almost certainly," but yes, I suppose I can't rule out some sort of unknown science that no one has ever documented or heard of.
That's not what I was saying though. I am suggesting that you were looking at something commonplace and mistaking it for something more or you were experiencing illusions, hallucinations, distortions of perception or delusions.
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RE: Quandary
October 25, 2015 at 12:43 am
(October 24, 2015 at 6:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That mysterious? We'd need to appeal to strange and unknown science? That sounds incredible. Sounds compelling.
lol ... smartass
Anyway,
I explained in detail my experiences on a forum like this one many years ago, but it just didn't translate well and I would prefer not to bother with it this time as it turned into a defense of my sanity rather than the bizarre occurrences that I witnessed.
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RE: Quandary
October 25, 2015 at 12:45 am
Whether you witness something or not even with your sanity that doesn't make the experiences anything paranormal.
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RE: Quandary
October 25, 2015 at 1:00 am
(October 24, 2015 at 10:53 pm)Evie Wrote: (October 24, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Cinjin Wrote: It's possible I suppose. I wouldn't say "almost certainly," but yes, I suppose I can't rule out some sort of unknown science that no one has ever documented or heard of.
That's not what I was saying though. I am suggesting that you were looking at something commonplace and mistaking it for something more or you were experiencing illusions, delusions, distortions of perception or delusions.
I didn't see any specter or witness a shadow moving across a room. I saw no entity of any kind. Therefore, illusions and/or delusions were not possible. Also, I was (and still am) a huge skeptic. What I did experience was shared by 4 other people over a period of 3 months.
Anyway, this does bring up a very good point. Atheists are always very adamant about defining the word atheist as only one thing: a person who does not believe in the existence of god(s).
Yet clearly being an atheist does seem to mean that generally you will not consider anything unknown outside of your understanding. If someone like me mentions the mere possibility of someone's consciousness existing outside their mortal body or something even simpler, like the existence of aliens in the human historical record, suddenly they immediately discount it and scoff at anyone willing to consider it.
Now don't get me wrong. I think skepticism is extremely important in deducing what should and should not be considered, but already I've had two atheists mock me in regards to something they haven't even yet heard about. I'm not saying that you should believe me, but lets face it, your atheism in this case has already decided something that has nothing to do with God ... only the unknown.
just a curious thing I've noticed about atheists over the years.
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RE: Quandary
October 25, 2015 at 1:03 am
(October 24, 2015 at 8:43 pm)Lek Wrote: Cinjin, I would say that you are not a deist because a deist believes there is a god. From what you say, you only hope there is a god or think there might be. An atheist could hope there is a god.
You may be right. I may not be a deist anymore. However, I don't think I'm an atheist either.
I think I'm in process ...
what label I end up with is just about anybody's guess right now.
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RE: Quandary
October 27, 2015 at 9:42 pm
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(October 25, 2015 at 12:43 am)Cinjin Wrote: I explained in detail my experiences on a forum like this one many years ago, but it just didn't translate well and I would prefer not to bother with it this time as it turned into a defense of my sanity rather than the bizarre occurrences that I witnessed.
I hate when that happens.  Still...it sounds like it must have been very convincing. If I experienced something extremely convincing, I'd be convinced...(right or wrong). I'd be sane either way, so would you, ofc.
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