Objectifying women

[Dotard]

Who does it? Beauty pageants? Husler magazine and the like?

No. It is the women portrayed in these things that are objectifying themselves. None of these participants were/are forced into these portrayals. They volunteered, signed up and willingly participated in this objectification.

Those who voice a problem with this seem to be blaming the chosen medium of these women when it is the women themselves who shoulder the blame. I also believe it is worthy of note that in my experiances the women who complain and holler about "That" or "This" objectifys women are those who could not even get past the initial screening to become part of it. IOW, jealousy of the beautiful is what I believe drives their hatred of mens clubs, magazines or beauty pageants.

Some womens bodies are a freakin' work of art. Beautiful. And just like a beautiful painting, sculpture or sunset, they are enjoyable to look at. By all. Men are not the only ones who enjoy beauty pageants. Look at the audience at these things, just as many women in attendance as men. I'm digressing here.

My point is those who holler 'objectifys women!' should not be hating the game, but the players. If it weren't for the players, there would be no game.

[Eilonnwy]

Says a man who thinks it's a woman's fault if she gets raped while wearing sexy clothing. e_e

[KichigaiNeko]

Totally agree there Dotard, on all points.

Mind you ...many "religious based charities" push 'Beauty pagents' as fund raisers..... hmmmm

[Dotard]

0_o

Nope. I do not claim it is a womans fault. I claim she contributed to the likelihood of violence being brought upon her.

Big difference.

[Eilonnwy]

No, there's not a difference. You are suggesting that some of the blame lies with the victim for a crime perpetrated against her. It's the same victim blaming bile I have heard before. A man who raped a woman was let off because she was wearing skinny jeans!

You know, I don't have a problem with women using their body as they wish. I support legal prostitution, I've been to strip joints. My point about objectifying women is the standard by which woman are judged pretty. Busty tall bombshells with vacant answers to political questions. I have a problem with the idea that to be pretty you need to be model thin.

You think woman are beautiful works of art that should have the right to show what they got? I don't disagree with you. But then don't go to on to say that woman who "show what they got" are partially to blame if they are raped.

[Atheist_named_Christian]

0_o

Nope. I do not claim it is a womans fault. I claim she contributed to the likelihood of violence being brought upon her.

Big difference.

Also think this is a big difference. This is simply an analysis but you are not saying whose fault it is.
But one should add, that it is a shame for our society and especially for one specific half of it, that this is true.

So, yes the woman do contribute by their behavior, but they are not to be blamed at all.
(There's a big difference between "contributing to" and "being blamed for" something. For example all human beings contribute to overpopulating this planet, but barely anyone could be blamed for it.)

[Eilonnwy]

You are suggesting they had something to do with the rape, how the fuck is that not blaming them? These attitudes make me fucking sick. It's the same as suggesting that if a woman gets drunk it's okay for a man to take advantage.

If a woman says no, it doesn't matter if she's drunk, wearing skinny jeans, or some tight revealing clothing. No means fucking no and the fault lies entirely with the perpetrator.

[Dotard]

Do we really need to go thru all this again?

Donald Trump can show the world what he got in the appropriate time and place. If he wanders down the street with cash hanging out of his pockets and showing his gold and expensive watch and gets mugged, you are suggesting his decision to flaunt what he got to the general public while strolling down the street in no way contributed to his robbery. That's nonsense. If he kept it 'covered up' the likeihood of a violent act (robbery) being brought down upon him is decreased.

I'm amazed some folks do not seem to realize there are those in society who would not think twice about committing a violent act against others to take what they desire from their victim. Knowing this why would you wish to flash your cash in the faces of those people? Then why do they think it is 100% the fault of another when it gets taken away from them? If it was kept 'in their socks' the likelihood of it being taken away from them is not as great as if they were flaunting it.

It's not as bileistic (<--made up word, but it works) as you would tend to think.

[Eilonnwy]

So should wear a burka to protect my goods? Because that's the type of thinking that keeps Islamic women in fucking tents.

You CAN cover up money, so the analogy is bullshit. I am a woman. This is my appearance, who I am. Were do you fucking draw the line? What if it's my hair that sets off a rapist, should I cover that up? What if I'm wearing full jeans but the shape of my ass sets him off? What if a tank top is alluring, does that mean I have to suffer under a sweater in the heat? What if a woman is swimming? Should she not wear a bathing suit because of how revealing it is and some man might rape her?

What you are suggesting is that woman needs to cover themselves like fucking money just to feel safe. I have a right to walk down the fucking street naked and no one has the fucking right to touch me. Ever. Furthermore, people are more likely to be raped by someone they know rather than some stranger on the street (same with murder) so their clothing isn't even a factor.

It's ridiculous. I should not have to worry about what I wear. I have a right to wear what I feel comfortable with and it in no way makes it my fault or a contributing factor if I am raped.

You thinking is sexist, plain and simple. You're basically equating women with money...women and property. Hmmm, that sounds fucking familiar.

[Dotard]

So... Ms. Elio, no matter if I'm waving $100 bills around and some thug demands I hand it over to him/her, no means no right? Then when it is forceably removed from my possession it is still 100% the perpetrators fault it happened?

Yeah, I agree it is. Thievery is thievery and never O.K. even with flaunted temptations under your nose.

HOWEVER, if I had not been waving $100 bills around the likeihood of the thugs demanding I hand them over is unlikely. Therefore partial blame can and should be placed upon the idiot waving $100 bills around.

Sorry that reality makes you sick, but that is just the way it is.

Maybe it's the analogies that are difficult for you to grasp. How about this;

I go into a fag-club with my dick hanging out of my pants, is it not partially my fault if it gets grabbed, fondled or touched by the patrons? If I enter the same club with ol' dicky tucked safely inside my britches the likelihood of my privates being molested is fractional compaired to if the shlong was purposely left hanging out.

Well, to be correct in my case that would be 'shlort' and not 'shlong'.

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Yes, I agree with you Ms Elio, you should be about to walk down the street naked without fear of rape or molestation. But that is not reality.

In the same line of thought, I should be able to walk down the street with $100 bills hanging out of my pockets without fear of robbery. But that's not reality.

Let's try to stay down here on earth.

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Oh, and as a side note. Stop derailing the topic. Is it the 'game' of beauty pagaents and men's magazines and such that incurs your wraith or is it the 'players' which whom without there would be no game?

AND.... I am NOT equating women and money. I am equating something women have with an interest to protect with something I, or others, have with an interest to protect. Your body IS your property. If you have some fine tools do you NOT build a shed over them and lock them up? Or do you just leave them on the front lawn because "no one has the right to take them"? Again equating your property with property, not the sum of women.