Objectifying women

[Eilonnwy]

This conversation is unbelievable.

My thoughts exactly.

[Dotard]

Before I was married my best friend was a gay man. He was raped by a police officer (male). This was an act of power. Needless to say the crime went unreported. I suspect if gay rape is less common it's because it just isn't reported.

And because an individual hollered "rape" then a rape actually occured? Pics or it didn't happen.

Why is it "needless to say"? Why didn't he report it? There's reason to suspect the story as factual right there.

[Watson]

Wow, you're a douche.

Homosexual rape is more often than not unreported because of the nature of scoeity and the pressures it puts upon men to be 'masculine.' Men are encouraged to be very macho and not shwo emotions, act tough and never back down from a fight or otherwise you get caleld a pussy.

Homosexual rape, then, does not get reported because the victim usually feels extremely embarrassed about hsi predicament and does not want to be considered 'unmanly.' It's an irrational fear, but it is one that does in fact exist. For you to demand 'pics or it didn't happen' is absurd and, frankly, disgusting. We dont' demand pics of a murder or a rape, we look for proof that the event in question happened.

But no, Dotard, I'm the crazy one.

[Dotard]

If rape is about power and not sex.... does this mean rapists are only and I repeat only turned on by the power aspect and are completely indifferent to appearance? And if they're completely indifferent to appearance and don't care about it at all then why don't all rapists rape both sexes and of any age?

You are on the right track. If it was about power then you would have a lot more "Tinas" reporting rape.

A "Tina" is shown in this short parody clip;

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I found this little tid-bit of a statistic poking around the internet on the subject;

"The median age of rape victims was about 22 years."

If it was about power, I believe you would not find such a confined group of victims. The median age would be like fourty. I can't locate statistics and doubt they exist, but I'd like to know how many are fat and ugly. How many are "Tinas" compared to how many were "Daphnes".

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Wow, you're a douche.

Your momma.

Homosexual rape is more often than not unreported because of the nature of scoeity and the pressures it puts upon men to be 'masculine.' Men are encouraged to be very macho and not shwo emotions, act tough and never back down from a fight or otherwise you get caleld a pussy.

LOL. Yeah. The example was a homo claiming rape and you're saying it was because he didn't want to appear un-masculine or get labled a 'pussy'?!

For you to demand 'pics or it didn't happen' is absurd and, frankly, disgusting. We dont' demand pics of a murder or a rape, we look for proof that the event in question happened.

That's what I am demanding. Proof that the event in question happened. I don't give a flying-fuck if you find that "disgusting" or not.

But no, Dotard, I'm the crazy one.

Agreed you name-calling bastard. But what does that have to do with this horribly derailed thread discussion?


I linked my evidence to substantiate my position and the best you can do is call me a douche? I win.


BTW, I wouldn't mind being a douche, but that's another subject for a different thread.

[Meatball]

One possible explanation could be that younger women are more often in riskier situations. Dating, clubbing, going to parties, meeting more new people, etc.

Older women (I assume) are more likely to be married and engaged in a career, more controlled partying, etc.

[Dotard]

One possible explanation could be that younger women are more often in riskier situations. Dating, clubbing, going to parties, meeting more new people, etc.

Older women (I assume) are more likely to be married and engaged in a career, more controlled partying, etc.

EXACTLY!!

Older women are more likely to have learned the lessons in life and be more protective and NOT wear revealing clothes at the bar and be overly trusting of the folks around them. They take precautionary measures to protect themselves and not increase the likelihood of a crime being committed against them.

But as you said; 'Possibly".

[Scented Nectar]

This is the only thing I'm advocating - that women take account for how they look, how it can attract possibly unwanted attention, and how to make themselves ultimately safer with that knowledge.

I see what you are saying, and I agree in a way, but anything that attracts attention to anyone has the potential to attract unwanted attention. Having shockingly red hair will catch eyes. Having huge boobs will catch eyes. Wearing a miniskirt will catch eyes but so will a burqa here in North America. When you are female, EVERYTHING catches eyes anyways. To have to keep watching against doing things like having a loud conversation on a crowded subway (of course people will notice and even listen in) to wondering if one's clothing style/adornments might be making harmful people notice you is not a mindset many can maintain unless chronically paranoid.

About that whole robbery/hide your bling comparison, just like people (all genders) don't hide the pretty paint or costly brand name on their cars, it would be ridiculous to expect women to go out of their way to hide our bodies and plain it down (unless that's what we feel like doing anyways by personal choice). Do you cover up the shiny new paint that you liked so much with dull fake rust so that no one will be tempted to steal it? It would be unreasonable to expect such extreme preventative measures. Especially in our modern society that promotes sexy cars/clothing as being desirable, popular and fashionable.

Sure, the more visually attention grabbing cars will get more of all types of attention, but anyone would be mocked mercilessly if they tried saying 'You know, they shouldn't have bought such a shiny bright red car'. It's only in rape that the blaming of the victim for not guarding her vulnerability better keeps coming up so frequently.

Even if a guy needs some power stuff mixed into his sex to get off, he knows full well not to do it in real life, except by consentual 'nonconsent' or whatever. Plus there is plenty of suitable porn he can take it out on instead of on someone who doesn't want it.

It's one thing to have harmful sexual desires (not easy to for anyone to control what makes them horny), but it's another to actually do them.

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One possible explanation could be that younger women are more often in riskier situations. Dating, clubbing, going to parties, meeting more new people, etc.

Older women (I assume) are more likely to be married and engaged in a career, more controlled partying, etc.

EXACTLY!!

Older women are more likely to have learned the lessons in life and be more protective and NOT wear revealing clothes at the bar and be overly trusting of the folks around them. They take precautionary measures to protect themselves and not increase the likelihood of a crime being committed against them.

No, not exactly. Older women party and date less for the same reasons that older men party and date less. It has nothing to do with learning better how to protect oneself.

[binny]

Before I was married my best friend was a gay man. He was raped by a police officer (male). This was an act of power. Needless to say the crime went unreported. I suspect if gay rape is less common it's because it just isn't reported.

And because an individual hollered "rape" then a rape actually occured? Pics or it didn't happen.

Why is it "needless to say"? Why didn't he report it? There's reason to suspect the story as factual right there.

The police officer in question used his power of authority in this situation. He was on duty, took advantage of a situation and my friend was too embarrassed and scared to report it. Who would believe him? After all a police officer would never behave this way would he? This was in the '80's. My friend wasn't out of the closet. If you're aren't in the persons shoes you really don't know how you would react.
I believe it happened because a distraught friend called me in the middle of the night.

[Edwardo Piet]

If rape is about power and not sex then doesn't that mean that a heterosexual man is just as likely to rape another man as a gay man? And of course, doesn't it also then mean that a homosexual (non-bisexual) man who is not remotely attracted to women, is just as likely to rape a woman as a heterosexual man?

Doesn't one need to be aroused in order to rape?

Are rapists aroused on power alone and they are not actually remotely aroused by the person they are actually raping whatsoever?

Rape is in (other) animal species too... is that about power too? Nothing to do with genes being passed on into helpless females? Doesn't being attracted to the female increase the likelihood that the animal actually has sex with a female or an animal at all?

EvF

[Dotard]

Sure, the more visually attention grabbing cars will get more of all types of attention, but anyone would be mocked mercilessly if they tried saying 'You know, they shouldn't have bought such a shiny bright red car'.

I would not say you shouldn't have a shiney red car. I'm saying don't take that shiney red car and leave it unsecured. There is a time and place for showing off your shiney red car. In a den of theives is not one of them. I should be able to leave it unlocked and running as I run into the store. Should be able to cause if anyone takes it, they are 100% entirely to blame for the theft.

Should I do that? No. You all know damned well it's enticing and setting up opportunity. If I do, do I shoulder partial blame for it's inevitable theft? <-- Just answer that one question please.
If I do all the right things, lock it up, set the alarm, hide the valuables, and it is stolen can you reasonably assign partial blame on me? I say no. If I lock it up, set the alarm but leave the valuables out in plain sight do I incur some responsibility for my loss?

Even if a guy needs some power stuff mixed into his sex to get off, he knows full well not to do it in real life, except by consentual 'nonconsent' or whatever.

Agreed. There are many other ways to satisfy that. Paid help. Call employees and fire them as you do the wife/GF. Curse God when having sex. ("Is that all you got?! You piece of shit God! Bring it on! I jizz on your face!!) I felt all powerful just typing that. I'm gonna have to try it with my regular call girl. She'll probably charge me $10 extra, but I think it will be worth it.

It's one thing to have harmful sexual desires (not easy to for anyone to control what makes them horny), but it's another to actually do them.

Agreed.

No, not exactly. Older women party and date less for the same reasons that older men party and date less. It has nothing to do with learning better how to protect oneself.

Less. And when they do party it has everything to do with learning how to better protect oneself.
Yes frequency is a factor. So is learning the way things should be and the way things are.

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If rape is about power and not sex then doesn't that mean that a heterosexual man is just as likely to rape another man as a gay man? And of course, doesn't it also then mean that a homosexual (non-bisexual) man who is not remotely attracted to women, is just as likely to rape a woman as a heterosexual man?

Doesn't one need to be aroused in order to rape?

Are rapists aroused on power alone and they are not actually remotely aroused by the person they are actually raping whatsoever?

Rape is in (other) animal species too... is that about power too? Nothing to do with genes being passed on into helpless females? Doesn't being attracted to the female increase the likelihood that the animal actually has sex with a female or an animal at all?

EvF

All very valid points in the form of questions. Here's the answers you already know.

Yes. Yes. Yes. No/No <-2 part question. Maybe.(I have a dog that only humps on other male dogs. I really think he's gay and it's not about power or dominance. When the neighborhood pack of dogs are chasing a female in heat, he never has tried to mount the female nor fight the males, he just runs over there and starts humping on the males. I've had this dog 8 years and his behavior is homosexual. I have never, ever seen him attempt to mount a female. So I answer 'maybe' meaning sometimes, not always.) No. Yes.

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Also, question number two is a GREAT point. You would see equal, or damn near, cases of homosexual men raping women. Or people in general raping their pets or fence posts or statues of Jesus or front lawns (oOoOOoo...power over the earth!) or crocodiles or whatever.

For power trips look to hunters, serial murderers that confess to jizzing in their pants when murdering, animal abusers and the like.

Rape is a crime of uncontrolled mating/reproductive instincts. Evolutionary in it's existance. It doesn't exist for social-power-play reasons, it's biological.