Objectifying women

[Violet]

Penetrated by a 2x4?! I can just imagine all the splinters, and the sharp corners and edges... :S

*Saerules shudders*

How could penetration by a penis possibly be more traumatic than penetration by a 2x$? :S

[ARMS]

I never said I agreed with that interpretation of law, women should be treated as harshly as men for sexual assault. Perhaps it's extra punishment for the guys enjoyment?

Oh and Dotard this is FAR from a democratic society, laws and practices don't remotely reflect the populations views.

[Violet]

Are we to punish the apple thief more because he enjoyed eating his apple?

[Autumnlicious]

Non sequitur - your facts are uncoordinated with respect to main discussion.

Explain.

[Dotard]

Oh and Dotard this is FAR from a democratic society, laws and practices don't remotely reflect the populations views.

No shit? Well shut my mouth, I always thought England was democratic. What are ye?

[tackattack]

Last I heard I thought England was a constitutional monarchy where as we are are a constitutional republic.I think there is some divisivness in the parlimentary practices of England, but I'm not qualified to speak to any of that.

[fr0d0]

What are ye?

The play things of rich dudes... just like you

In politics boundaries are skewed in favour of the dominant. It's life Jim, but not strictly fair.

[Dotard]

The play things of rich dudes... just like you

Yeah.....

In politics boundaries are skewed in favour of the dominant. It's life Jim, but not strictly fair.

agreed

[Autumnlicious]

It's life Jim, but not strictly fair.

Yay Star Trek!

[VoiceOfReason]

No. It is the women portrayed in these things that are objectifying themselves. None of these participants were/are forced into these portrayals. They volunteered, signed up and willingly participated in this objectification.

Three words: Toddler beauty pageants. You forget a lot of this starts in childhood. All my childhood I went to swimming lessons. Some parents make beauty pageants a normal part of their daughter's life.

I also believe it is worthy of note that in my experiances the women who complain and holler about "That" or "This" objectifys women are those who could not even get past the initial screening to become part of it. IOW, jealousy of the beautiful is what I believe drives their hatred of mens clubs, magazines or beauty pageants.

Incorrect. I despise the objectification of women, in part because I am an attractive woman. I am sick of people getting wrapped up in my looks, when there is a person behind the face they often forget to acknowledge. Several times a week I get men coming up to me at my work and hitting on me. I am in a professional environment trying to work. Do you know how hard it is to try to compete for a promotion when a co-worker accuses me of spending more time 'socializing' than completing transactions? I don't wear revealing clothing, I do not flirt- exactly the opposite, I have become downright frigid towards all male clients because I can't tell who will become inappropriate.

Some womens bodies are a freakin' work of art. Beautiful. And just like a beautiful painting, sculpture or sunset, they are enjoyable to look at.

Unlike a sculpture or a sunset, this is a person. Important distinction. Anyone who looks at a beautiful person should remember they have feelings, ideas, and a life like anyone else. The most important thing about them should never be that they happened to win the genetic lottery.

I'm with Eilonnwy here, a woman doesn't dress up just to show off her goods for potential mates to ogle at- she may simply want to wear what she finds pleasing, comfortable, and attractive in her tastes. She is not contributing to or looking for the act of sex by wearing the clothing, she is simply expressing herself just like any man would do through style of dress.

Yes, exactly! If I happen to be going out on a blistering hot summer day, I am not going to wear a sweater simply to avoid men looking at me. I have the right to comfortably wear shorts without someone trying to pinch my ass.

You could argue that the women were forced into the beauty pageants because they're manipulated by societal pressures.

Barbie. Bratz. Disney princesses. There is a huge list of role models for young girls that largely are based on appearance. We grow up seeing all these attractive, successful women in the spotlight. Society has no business shoving Britney Spears and Christina Agulera down young girls' collective throats. One of my friends was anorexic before we even hit puberty. I don't even want to count how many were in high school. No girl wants to starve herself. She does it because she thinks she has to. She thinks she is worthless if she doesn't look like all those dolls and superstars shoved into our faces.

Nope. I do not claim it is a womans fault. I claim she contributed to the likelihood of violence being brought upon her.
Big difference.

I was raped at 15. I was dressed for the cold fall day that it was. What the fuck did I do to 'contribute' to that?!