Objectifying women

[gameslover]

You just don't get it, do you?

I named a few items as a fucking metaphor.

Do you not understand? Indulging in riskier behavior raises your fucking risk!. There can be no discussion.

My name calling is of the vein "my illogical friend" and "you moron", yet you apply a whining complaint as if I just told you your capacity for reason is flawed, your mind and demeanor beyond capacity for rational thought, your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

You are a goddamn fool. You'd as soon fight me who has commented lightly on your stupid absolutism and noted that it is illogical as someone who theorizes that the rape victim wanted it.

This is forum for logic and reason, you stupid git. I suggest you use it.

Prove my statement wrong, that I said there is no such thing as no risk, when ones very existence as a living being entails risk! The only way to have no risk is to be dead, so that you cannot have actions done by, to, or from you - as you are dead.

Except when it comes to rape, things like clothing/where you are/whatnot does not "increase your risk".

I'm positively rolling in laughter at your bolded words of rage. Harsh words indicate a weak cause, and you're showing that you're becoming frustrated because that's all you can do. If you're gonna tell someone else to use "logic and reason", calling them a "stupid git" and a "goddamn fool" shows that you're not exactly filled with logic and reason yourself.

Also being dead does not minimize risk either. People do things to corpses. They fuck dead bodies, they're called necrophiles.

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I see, but that is only one case, they don't all have to be one or the other. In this case I would say that the motive was probably not about sex. Well, about it, but not in the manner that he wanted it.
I don't see how that would work anyway, because even if homosexuality was a choice– I think it would being raped would more likely make someone stay a lesbian. I suppose no one said that he was smart.

also, everyone please be nice? that would be lovely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape

Research points to anger and power being motivations for rape. Though they haven't ruled out the "sex" theory yet, the more they research, the more it seems unlikely.

I'm not the only one I know who's been raped. I know plenty of others who have been raped and they tell me the same. There's another rape survivor on this very forum telling you the same thing. You've been told this by someone who counsels rape victims and has seen a variety of cases, and definitely knows what they're talking about.

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You look at us and see what you want to see. You want to see sexism and an unfair world.

We wish to see a world populated by logic and reason and will do so to explain this world.

You cannot understand until you let go of your desire to see us as the enemy. We are what we are - logic seeking, truth seeking. There is little we cannot understand and explain, given enough time.

If you cannot argue logically, then it is advised you depart from this place, for you will find nothing but aggravation and a lack of understanding.

Actually, I didn't know you were men. Women are capable of self-hatred and sexism as well. I don't see you as the enemy. You're the one getting upset and name-calling because someone disagreed with you. If you're gonna tell others to argue logically, I suggest you practice what you preach.

[Autumnlicious]

Except when it comes to rape, things like clothing/where you are/whatnot does not "increase your risk".

I'm positively rolling in laughter at your bolded words of rage. Harsh words indicate a weak cause, and you're showing that you're becoming frustrated because that's all you can do. If you're gonna tell someone else to use "logic and reason", calling them a "stupid git" and a "goddamn fool" shows that you're not exactly filled with logic and reason yourself.

I never stated I was not human. And anger does not indicate a weak cause. Anger is like passion - an emotion, nothing else.

Your statement of harsh words indicating a weak cause, is illogical. Prove me wrong.

You are not proving, by the way, my statement wrong. You are merely providing a non-answer by merely writing the equivalent of "Nu-uh!" with respect to my statement about risk.

If you insist that rape will happen to one, regardless of what one does, then you are subscribing to a form of determinism. I cannot help you with that.

Also being dead does not minimize risk either. People do things to corpses. They fuck dead bodies, they're called necrophiles.

The corpse does not mind, as the corpse does not have the capability to mind.

My point exactly.

Actually, I didn't know you were men. Women are capable of self-hatred and sexism as well. I don't see you as the enemy. You're the one getting upset and name-calling because someone disagreed with you. If you're gonna tell others to argue logically, I suggest you practice what you preach.

Read my statement again - I mentioned nothing of man nor woman.

Read my posts, look at my writings. You will find I do practice what I preach. Can the same be said for you?

[In This Mind]

If you cannot argue logically, then it is advised you depart from this place, for you will find nothing but aggravation and a lack of understanding.

Funny. I'm the one who has supported my statements. Where is your support for your claim that your 'well intentioned advice' actually decreases the risk?

Non-existent? You mean you are lying about your motives? Not exactly logical, is that?

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I could have believed you if you'd said you simply "misunderstood" the first time we explained ourselves, but reading back over this thread, the number of times we have explained and re-explained the point at hand (so much so that it is now nigh-impossible to misinterpret) is ridiculous. You are doing it on purpose now.

I'd have believed you if said you'd simply misunderstood the original statements. But now you've denied the facts, the statistics, and even the damn dictionary. We've explained and re-explained the point at hand, and yet you keep 'misinterpreting'. You are flat out lying now.

So, why should I pay any attention to say, Saerules, who flat out admitted she was trolling and made absolutely no bones about the fact that she was victim blaming? She and Dotard were the only ones honest enough to admit it. Godhead still hasn't read the articles I provided, so why should I continue paying him any attention? Though I am amused that you'd go so far as to abuse your moderator powers to attack me, because for the record, I didn't ignore Godhead because of this thread, but because the idiot hasn't given an honest answer to a question anywhere in the forum, so why should I continue debating it?

I doubt you've read the articles either. You are bitching and whining about being 'ignored' and 'misinterpreted' and you haven't actually read any of our mountains of supporting evidence.

I ignore hypocrites and fundies. If you don't like that, ban me.

[Autumnlicious]

Funny. I'm the one who has supported my statements. Where is your support for your claim that your 'well intentioned advice' actually decreases the risk?

And you've had others call you on your "support", noting it is either bullshit or misinterpreted.

My statements, are as one might say, are self evident. A statement of obviousness that risk exists, that it is everywhere, that there are ways to reduce all risks (perhaps not humanly possible in some cases, that might require yet-to-be developed technology, etc), that there is no such thing as no risk in this natural universe.

To ignore them is to deny reality, rationality.

Non-existent? You mean you are lying about your motives? Not exactly logical, is that?

I've remained true and open about my motives on this forum from day one. They have changed, morphed over time as I am a growing organism and ever dynamic, ever changing, and my beliefs grow and change with them. What does not change is logic, ever constant.

If you honestly believe I am dishonest about my motives, then I ask you to show it, to dissect what I say and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that is what it is.

[gameslover]

I never stated I was not human.

Never said you did.

Your statement of harsh words indicating a weak cause, is illogical.

People resort to things like name-calling and swearing when they no longer have rational arguments to back themselves up and can no longer think of anything else to say.

If you insist that rape will happen to one, regardless of what one does, then you are subscribing to a form of determinism.

Call it what you want, but it's true. If a rapist's gonna rape you, they're gonna rape you, no outfit or party can change that.

The corpse does not mind, as the corpse does not have the capability to mind.

That doesn't mean it's not happening. Just because I don't mind if you steal my car because I may be able to replace it or something doesn't mean it's not robbery.

And I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want anyone fucking my corpse when I'm dead.

Read my posts, look at my writings. You will find I do practice what I preach.

You tell others to use logic and reason while calling them names (which is not logical or reasonable), so I'd say no.

[In This Mind]

And you've had others call you on your "support", noting it is either bullshit or misinterpreted.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-06...detectives

I also don't continue talking to liars. Congrats, you make 5.

[Godhead]

Synackaon, EvF, and the rest of you who know what words mean, we're dealing with misandrists here, it was obvious from day one.

[Autumnlicious]

I never stated I was not human.

Never said you did.

The purpose of that statement was to illustrate that I am not perfect nor unchanging. Thus my "breaks" from a fully logical individual is expected and merely a matter of myself as a system.

Your statement of harsh words indicating a weak cause, is illogical.

People resort to things like name-calling and swearing when they no longer have rational arguments to back themselves up and can no longer think of anything else to say.

They often do. However, one must consider the irritation that occurs with the perception that however one makes a fully logical statement that is fully defensible only to have it thrown back in ones face - well, that is to be expected. I try to consider my audience, but as I am human, I cannot be all things.

I am quite at peace with that.

If you insist that rape will happen to one, regardless of what one does, then you are subscribing to a form of determinism.

Call it what you want, but it's true. If a rapist's gonna rape you, they're gonna rape you, no outfit or party can change that.

But what lead up to it? Was the rapist mentally ill, poorly educated, allowed to run rampant, indulging in criminality beforehand?

Was the victim walking through an alley against their better judgment, warned by others, aware of their surroundings, cautious?

The world is not black nor white nor shades of graym but is of color.
(That was a metaphor)

The corpse does not mind, as the corpse does not have the capability to mind.

That doesn't mean it's not happening. Just because I don't mind if you steal my car because I may be able to replace it or something doesn't mean it's not robbery.

And I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want anyone fucking my corpse when I'm dead.

It does not matter. You cannot, by definition, mind when you are dead. You desires are impermanent. The only actor of those desires is of another living being who would be harmed by the act of another indulging in necrophilia.

That is that harm, not some mentally ill freak porking your cold, dead flesh.

Read my posts, look at my writings. You will find I do practice what I preach.

You tell others to use logic and reason while calling them names (which is not logical or reasonable), so I'd say no.

Your sense of perspective leaves much to be desired.

And you've had others call you on your "support", noting it is either bullshit or misinterpreted.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-06...detectives

I also don't continue talking to liars. Congrats, you make 5.

At least I have the courage to confront others and not ignore them, as you have.

EDIT: I read the article, and yes, there were major issues and major faults made. And they should be dealt with accordingly.

[In This Mind]

I think most of you would be more at home with these folks here - http://www.christianforums.com/f998/

[gameslover]

Synackaon, EvF, and the rest of you who know what words mean, we're dealing with misandrists here, it was obvious from day one.

How so? I didn't even know what gender you guys were.

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The purpose of that statement was to illustrate that I am not perfect nor unchanging.

That's not how it works. You can't just do whatever you want and expect people to ignore it because you're human. I'm a human being as well, I get frustrated, but I'm not calling people "stupid" or "morons" or anything like that.

They often do. However, one must consider the irritation that occurs with the perception that however one makes a fully logical statement that is fully defensible only to have it thrown back in ones face - well, that is to be expected. I try to consider my audience, but as I am human, I cannot be all things.

When that happens, people usually don't seem to care, they just roll their eyes for they know they have nothing to prove. People get upset when they can't prove themselves.

But what lead up to it? Was the rapist mentally ill, poorly educated, allowed to run rampant, indulging in criminality beforehand?

What does that have to do with the victim? The victim can't control any of that, there's nothing they can do be "responsible", so why bring it up?

Was the victim walking through an alley against their better judgment, warned by others, aware of their surroundings, cautious?

It's been shown time and time again that "alley" type stranger rape is rare. Did you not read anyone's messages? It's more dangerous for you to be inside your house with your relative. Why didn't you bring that up?

Like I saw someone else say, that's like asking if a burn victim was standing on a ladder. Nothing to do with each other.

The world is not black nor white nor shades of graym but is of color.

That doesn't mean black and white don't exist (as in cases like rape).

It does not matter. You cannot, by definition, mind when you are dead. You desires are impermanent.

Yes it does matter. That is why people grant "dying wishes" for people. That is why people hold funerals for people that are already dead and wouldn't know if the funeral was taking place or not. That is why people have the right to decide what they want done with their bodies/where they want to be buried when they die. That is why so many people just won't speak ill of the dead. Dead peoples' wishes (or whatever they had before they died) matter.