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Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 9:39 pm
uhmm.,
i just want to ask a question...
coz my atheist friend said to me that its not only science that makes to be an atheist...
its philosophy(we all know that this is a branck of science no question out here.., ^^), logic, personal experience
i got confuse on the other two...^^
she gives me a couple of logic ann less facts...,
and one other question...
in some ways., personal experiences may oppose some facts of science.., it depends on how a person interprets it or feel with it right? how was that??
im just asking.., ^^
no offense
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 10:02 pm
What are you trying to ask? I don't understand.
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 10:11 pm
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(June 1, 2010 at 9:39 pm)aufis Wrote: uhmm.,
i just want to ask a question...
coz my atheist friend said to me that its not only science that makes to be an atheist...
Science has nothing to do with a things status as an atheist...
Quote:its philosophy(we all know that this is a branck of science no question out here.., ^^), logic, personal experience
I question your considering philosophy to be a science. As far as I am aware: it isn't (at least not in some senses... though under some definitions it is. Are you using one of these definitions?)
Quote:i got confuse on the other two...^^
Confused about logic and (personal? Why include this? Is not experience personal...?) experience? :S
Quote:she gives me a couple of logic ann less facts...,
??? What are you saying?
Quote:and one other question...
in some ways., personal experiences may oppose some facts of science.., it depends on how a person interprets it or feel with it right? how was that??
This is true. One easy example: have you ever been high? I hear it feels downright religiously insane 
Quote:im just asking.., ^^
no offense
You can always ask questions here, and need not worry about offending anyone. But perhaps you could take a little extra time to make yourself more readable?  Even I struggled with this...
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 10:27 pm
@SAE -
"Science has nothing to do with a things status as an atheist..."
isn't it science proves?? science give facts??? and that make an atheist(my opinion coz i don't know how to be an atheist). and much more.., isn't it atheist only accept facts proved by science???
"This is true. One easy example: have you ever been high? I hear it feels downright religiously insane "
soo... we can conclude that our experience shall not be cited as reference for an argument right??
"??? What are you saying?"
I am sorry i meant "he gives me much logic than facts..."
Philosophy is a branch of science, isn't it??
sooo..., which is much better to deal with...
facts?? or logic???
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Dude, I have no clue as to what the fuck you're on about.
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Can't be real.
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Drinking while posting should be a misdemeanor, at least.
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 1, 2010 at 11:56 pm
T.T no one understands me....
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 2, 2010 at 12:06 am
Quote:sooo..., which is much better to deal with...
facts?? or logic???
Personally I would rather start with the 'Facts' then apply logic as to WHY the facts "fit" the observable. 
Quote:Philosophy is a branch of science, isn't it??
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Philosophy+ 
phi·los·o·phy /fɪˈlɒsəfi/ Show Spelled[fi-los-uh-fee] Show IPA
–noun,plural-phies.
1.the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
2.any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study.
3.a system of philosophical doctrine: the philosophy of Spinoza.
4.the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.
5.a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.
6.a philosophical attitude, as one of composure and calm in the presence of troubles or annoyances.
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The bold is probably what you are referring to?
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RE: Logic vs. Facts...
June 2, 2010 at 12:08 am
Philosophy is not a branch of science.
Philosophy is a discipline based on reason and logic.
Science is a discipline based on evidence, which is [ideally] interpreted using reason and logic.
Logic and religious beliefs are not incompatible.IE a position may be logically valid but untrue. Logic does not guarantee truth by itself.
Science and religion are incompatible in essence. That is because religion rejects science whenever it contradicts dogma. Religion asserts absolute truths,science does not.
I hope that begins to answer your question. I'm not really sure what you're asking. Just a wild guess: is English not your first language?
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