Refuting misconceptions:3-Authenticity and preservation of the Quran

[Jaysyn]

I know who wrote this too, but that doesn't make it factual.

[annatar]

am not answering articles anymore if you post an article about something i will just copy and paste another article that prove your claims wrong which in the end will lead us to nothing you will believe what you want to hear even if it is someone attacking islam with no evidance and i just ignore claims with no proof even if its in my own benefit
usage of hadith is a science which can take years in studying and it needs experts to decide how to use hadith and comapare it with the Quran

I didn't want you to answer this article i was going to post only the link but some said "we cant reach the website" thats why i posted it here just to make sure everyone can read. But its against the rules i have been told so i am going to paraphrase it for that i will be busy for a while
(Edit: I parphrased some parts of the article then i got bored(its really hard when the langauge is not your native tongue you know.) its done though you can check if you want.)

[mo3taz3nbar]

@annatar ok and i hope you add to this the reasons that make you believe in what you are claiming or in the guy who wrote the article

[Darinda]

am not answering articles anymore if you post an article about something i will just copy and paste another article that prove your claims wrong which in the end will lead us to nothing you will believe what you want to hear even if it is someone attacking islam with no evidance and i just ignore claims with no proof even if its in my own benefit
usage of hadith is a science which can take years in studying and it needs experts to decide how to use hadith and comapare it with the Quran

I didn't want you to answer this article i was going to post only the link but some said "we cant reach the website" thats why i posted it here just to make sure everyone can read. But its against the rules i have been told so i am going to paraphrase it for that i will be busy for a while
(Edit: I parphrased some parts of the article then i got bored(its really hard when the langauge is not your native tongue you know.) its done though you can check if you want.)

Thanks Annatar, this time the link worked for me. Very interesting site, will keep me occupied for a while.

[annatar]

@annatar ok and i hope you add to this the reasons that make you believe in what you are claiming or in the guy who wrote the article

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“None of you should say that he has got the whole Quran. You can never know that most of the Quran has been destroyed and gone forever. Therefore you should only say that you have got whatever has remained from it.” (See Suyuti, el ıtkan, 2/32.)

what made him to believe?

[mo3taz3nbar]

@annatar ok and i hope you add to this the reasons that make you believe in what you are claiming or in the guy who wrote the article

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“None of you should say that he has got the whole Quran. You can never know that most of the Quran has been destroyed and gone forever. Therefore you should only say that you have got whatever has remained from it.” (See Suyuti, el ıtkan, 2/32.)

what made him to believe?

what make you sure that he even said this? and if i get you hadith that says that the Quran is the same that was with muhammed(pbuh) would you belive it as well?

[annatar]

what make you sure that he even said this?

so you are a sceptic now. but still you can easily accept that quran never changed although the fact that just few people knew by hearth the original quran at muhammed's time. Anyway every hadith i used is written by known scholars among muslims. Even muslims accept that they are true hadiths. btw you want me to search if its true. yet you use hadiths so easily in your arguments.

[mo3taz3nbar]

what make you sure that he even said this?

so you are a sceptic now. but still you can easily accept that quran never changed although the fact that just few people knew by hearth the original quran at muhammed's time. Anyway every hadith i used is written by known scholars among muslims. Even muslims accept that they are true hadiths. btw you want me to search if its true. yet you use hadiths so easily in your arguments.

lol am just showing you that this will get us to nothing there are a lot of rules when trying to check the authenticity of hadith(like history) and there is a lot of rules when using hadith the first thing is to compare it to the Quran if it is under the general rules given you can get to the next rule and if not you can totally ignore it.
there wasnt few people who memorized the Quran there was a lot(get back to my main thread under memorization) and it was written anyway. in the war of yemama only 70 died(in this time there was more than 10000 muslims in madina only)
am not using hadith in my arguments except for rules as hadith is used as an advice but if you used shura its the same(specially if there is unauthentic hadith)
at last if you are searching in religion you have to use the book claiming to be revealed from god if there is a prove you will find it there not in hadith or history books(this applies to all religions)

[annatar]

when using hadith the first thing is to compare it to the Quran if it is under the general rules given you can get to the next rule and if not you can totally ignore it

yes im sure they would wrote in quran"yes we changed it and we are proud of what we have done." if they would changed it.
then tell me why they burnt all pieces of original scripts? or tell me why they did this to second original one either? you are sceptic when i show you a hadith about this. But you are certain that even one word of quran isn't changed according to similar arguments.
Lets assume muhammed is a real prophet, how do you know people didn't schemed after he died? You know what. if you were born in a christian familiy you would be christian, if you were born in a Buddhist family you would be a Buddhist.or scientologist (even pastafarian) becouse you are not questioning your beliefs even if there are obvious mistakes in it. Becouse you are blinded by faith.

[mo3taz3nbar]

yes im sure they would wrote in quran"yes we changed it and we are proud of what we have done." if they would changed it.

if that happened they will not be the one telling this but a lot of other people will say this and specially the people attacking islam in their time.but no single person even claimed this

then tell me why they burnt all pieces of original scripts? or tell me why they did this to second original one either?

they burned the personal copies for the reasons i mentioned before.and they didnt burn the original copy why you are claiming that?

you are sceptic when i show you a hadith about this. But you are certain that even one word of quran isn't changed according to similar arguments.

what will make me not skeptic with something that was gathered in the same way like history books and i dont even know when it was written (all i know that they was not allowed to write anything muhammed(pbuh) says except the Quran)

Lets assume muhammed is a real prophet, how do you know people didn't schemed after he died?

you cant claim both together

You know what. if you were born in a christian familiy you would be christian, if you were born in a Buddhist family you would be a Buddhist.or scientologist (even pastafarian) becouse you are not questioning your beliefs even if there are obvious mistakes in it. Becouse you are blinded by faith.

how do you think i know about the things you are talking about? i questioned every little thing in islam and in many other religions(am still doing this) i passed through everything you are asking and questioning but the difference that when i was searching i was objective and i didnt have hate fealings toward a certain religion or belief
i think if i was born in other religion i would be the same untill the last 4 years when i start to become interested to know the truth about our life