Refuting misconceptions:3-Authenticity and preservation of the Quran

[annatar]

i questioned every little thing in islam and in many other religions(am still doing this) i passed through everything you are asking and questioning but the difference that when i was searching i was objective and i didnt have hate fealings toward a certain religion or belief

I didnt have any hate fealings either. but I'm sorry, its hard to believe you being objective..
If you can't see the conflicts and injustice in quran you are not an objective person.
You are keep saying that today's islamic countries or terrorists misunderstood quran. or they are not following quran. but you are the one who misunderstood quran. They are following quran by letter.

[mo3taz3nbar]

i questioned every little thing in islam and in many other religions(am still doing this) i passed through everything you are asking and questioning but the difference that when i was searching i was objective and i didnt have hate fealings toward a certain religion or belief

I didnt have any hate fealings either. but I'm sorry, its hard to believe you being objective..
If you can't see the conflicts and injustice in quran you are not an objective person.
You are keep saying that today's islamic countries or terrorists misunderstood quran. or they are not following quran. but you are the one who misunderstood quran. They are following quran by letter.

i clarified this before in the thread jihad and terrorism.but am not blaming you muslims have been quite for a long time about clarifying what islam really is and you guys are left to the media and the channels that is misleading everyone but in the next 20 years this will not be the case a lot of muslims are now changing this specially the ones who convert to islam because those are the one who really know what it means to be a muslim(like yusuf estas and khalid yasin).anyway if you think that what is happening in afghanistan which is really a minority from the muslim countries you just have to get the verses they use and i will try to clarify this to you as i can

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its hard to believe you being objective..

if i admit that there is a mistake in the Quran i will be objective? that is not going to happen except if someone told me a mistake in the Quran or get me a contradiction that prove that the Quran is written by a man and i didnt find a logical answer for it and also refuted all the reasons that make me believe
when you tell me about something in the Quran and i clarify it to you. you never admit you was wrong and this is being not objective and also you know that you are not objective when you use something againest islam and you know you will never accept an evidence from the same source in the favor of islam

[annatar]

if i admit that there is a mistake in the Quran i will be objective?

dude lets see what happened when i mentioned about herritage error;
first you claimed that i am puting different situations together.
then i said muslim people didnt deny that they are using a constant to fix it.( i know i said avl but i explained that it is a constant which muslims use to fix this error)
then you said "you are making a mistake by not taking into consideration that the children share is from the remaining after parents take their share"
then i showed you this is not the case.
at this point i think you did "some search" and you changed your argument from "there is no mistake" to "but they are fixing it" &"quran only gives general rules" which is realy absurd and I explained to you why this is absurd in related thread.
You are not objective when it comes to your religion my friend. You didn't even checked if my calculations are true or what i said is real you simply rejected at the begining. And that is my friend what we call "blind faith".

[downbeatplumb]

if i admit that there is a mistake in the Quran i will be objective?

dude lets see what happened when i mentioned about herritage error;
first you claimed that i am puting different situations together.
then i said muslim people didnt deny that they are using a constant to fix it.( i know i said avl but i explained that it is a constant which muslims use to fix this error)
then you said "you are making a mistake by not taking into consideration that the children share is from the remaining after parents take their share"
then i showed you this is not the case.
at this point i think you did "some search" and you changed your argument from "there is no mistake" to "but they are fixing it" &"quran only gives general rules" which is realy absurd and I explained to you why this is absurd in related thread.
You are not objective when it comes to your religion my friend. You didn't even checked if my calculations are true or what i said is real you simply rejected at the begining. And that is my friend what we call "blind faith".

Bazinga!!

[mo3taz3nbar]

dude lets see what happened when i mentioned about herritage error;
first you claimed that i am puting different situations together.

no you claimed that the verse is talking about one situation and then when i clarified this you started talking about the situation you thought is in the Quran

then you said "you are making a mistake by not taking into consideration that the children share is from the remaining after parents take their share"
then i showed you this is not the case.

yes i made a mistake by telling that children take from the remaining(i found it was not children its the son only)

at this point i think you did "some search" and you changed your argument from "there is no mistake" to "but they are fixing it" &"quran only gives general rules" which is realy absurd and I explained to you why this is absurd in related thread.

yeah i really did a lot of search as i didnt have the knowledge about the avl lol
if you want to prove me wrong that in the Quran we are given general rules you must give me a rule in the Quran that mention every possible situation then i will admitt that in the Quran we are sometimes given all the rules in every detail even exceptions

You are not objective when it comes to your religion my friend. You didn't even checked if my calculations are true or what i said is real you simply rejected at the begining. And that is my friend what we call "blind faith".

your case from the begining was based on a very clear mistake you made(i dont know why you dont want to admit it) which is thinking that the verses you mentioned is all talking about one situations and this was the thing that was supposed to be refuted and not to get in details about islamic sharia which is not based on the Quran only (it is the rules under the general rules of the Quran) but i found that you are interested to know and i had curiousity to know about what you say so i didnt just refuse it without a reason there was a mistake in your claims and a misunderstanding about how sharia and islamic law works
about the blind faith you cant say this untill you tell me that the reasons that make me believe is not real and prove it wrong

[Paul the Human]

about the blind faith you cant say this untill you tell me that the reasons that make me believe is not real and prove it wrong

And that right there is part of your problem. It is you that has to prove that what you believe is real. You're the one claiming that it is. We simply don't believe you and you have failed miserably at convincing us.

But, you are going to believe it is true until someone proves a negative. Delusional.

[annatar]

no you claimed that the verse is talking about one situation and then when i clarified this you started talking about the situation you thought is in the Quran

really now?
let me clarifiy this then. you said

lol you are adding different situations to each other the first situation is if a man died and left 2 daughters or more and thats it there is no wife mentioned or parents the parents is mentioned in a different situation in the rest of the verse. not all the situations are mentioned in the Quran but we were given general rules that when used you can know what to do in all the situations

then i said;

no it is not different situations... are you saying one cant have a daughter, mother, father and wife at the same time???

I was aware that i was talking about one situation as you see. i never said the verse is talking about one situation.But one of the situations has this error.

and keep saying general rules. As you said that verses gives you solutions for all possible situations. and same verses gives you a solutuon about my situation either and it has an error which you cannot fix without violating verses. According to quran you cant change quran's direct orders and this is a direct order.(i love circular logic right now) At this point if you are objective you should consider the possibility of you being wrong.

yeah i really did a lot of search as i didnt have the knowledge about the avl lol
if you want to prove me wrong that in the Quran we are given general rules you must give me a rule in the Quran that mention every possible situation then i will admitt that in the Quran we are sometimes given all the rules in every detail even exceptions

okay i said avl but i defined it as a constant which is used to fix this error. if you could read you would see that. and of course no one can give every possible situation about herritage sharing. becouse one can have so many children but you can give a condition just as quran did you can say if you have 2 daughters or more And can yougive me a verse that allows you to vioate qurans verses? Becouse thats what awl do.(i answered your last post in simple mathematical error thread please write your answer there.)

But, you are going to believe it is true until someone proves a negative. Delusional.

even if you prove it(which i did with this mathematical error) he will keep believig.

[mo3taz3nbar]

@annatar ok i will try to cut it short as this is not coming to an end
1-i say quran give general rules and the rest is up to the shura to set their rules under Quran general rules and you said no

"Those who hearken to their Lord, and establish regular Prayer; who (conduct) their affairs by mutual Consultation; who spend out of what We bestow on them for Sustenance;"(Quran 42:38)
the chapter name is al shura(the consultation)

".......and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast Taken a decision put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him)."(Quran 3:159)

2-you said that the Quran give all the rules with every detail(you have to prove this claim)

3-you said that the awl is not the same as the Quran says and i said that the reason of setting inheritance rule is to ensure fairness between familly members which is the same in applying the exceptions(al awl) which is 10 cases from 115 case as the percentage between familly members according to each other is still the same(if you still dont get it i have nothing to do with it)

i will post this in the thread related to this and plz continue there

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And that right there is part of your problem. It is you that has to prove that what you believe is real. You're the one claiming that it is. We simply don't believe you and you have failed miserably at convincing us.

first am not trying to convince you. second i made a whole thread about the reasons that made me believe and not a single reason was refuted by any member(i will take it to more details as the thread was too long and i think you didnt read it all as most of other members)

But, you are going to believe it is true until someone proves a negative. Delusional.

no no am not talking about proving my beliefs wrong am saying to prove that the reasons that make me believe is wrong

[tavarish]

no no am not talking about proving my beliefs wrong am saying to prove that the reasons that make me believe is wrong

Didn't you have another thread where we did just that?

[Jaysyn]

i found it was not children its the son only

No surprise there, amiright, amiright?