God's opinion of deformities

[vorlon13]

Kinda seems God punishes people for having birth defects with the birth defects they have.


More religious 'logic'.

[orangebox21]

Please define 'unfair'.

Are you freakin' kidding me, orangebox?  God creates (of course I don't believe god exists, or created anything, which nullifies this whole observation, so)
according to the BIBLE, Gawd creates a human with deformities. Don't give me that BS about the deformities being caused by the sins of the parents - which is also unfair, punishing the child for the sins of their father.  But then, this creature that god created is banned from worshiping like their able-bodied peers.  
That's utterly ridiculous.

In order for me to properly understand your argument I need to understand how you are defining the word "unfair."  For example, definitions can include:  
1.not based on or behaving according to the principles of equality and justice (Oxford dictionary)

2.  adj: any thing, rule, law or set of circumstances that doesn't directly assist the interests of the speaker (Urban dictionary).

3.  what you say when your expectations (demands) have not been met (urban dictionary).

If for the sake of our discussion we define 'unfair' according to definition #1 then we would have to discuss the standard or basis for determining the principles of equality and justice.

If for the sake of our discussion we define 'unfair' according to definition #2 then when God says in his word that people with deformities are not allowed to participate in a specific religious ceremony, He is not unfair [he would be applying a law that directly assists the interests of the speaker (i.e. himself)].

If we define 'unfair' according to definition #3 then yes God would be acting 'unfairly' in that your personal expectations have not been met by the law that God has set up.  And in this case, in order to argue to the contrary [that God is acting fairly] you would be expecting me to change your personal expectations.

[robvalue]

Kinda seems God punishes people for having birth defects with the birth defects they have.


More religious 'logic'.

They should have had more faith before they were born or something.

[drfuzzy]

Are you freakin' kidding me, orangebox?  God creates (of course I don't believe god exists, or created anything, which nullifies this whole observation, so)
according to the BIBLE, Gawd creates a human with deformities. Don't give me that BS about the deformities being caused by the sins of the parents - which is also unfair, punishing the child for the sins of their father.  But then, this creature that god created is banned from worshiping like their able-bodied peers.  
That's utterly ridiculous.

In order for me to properly understand your argument I need to understand how you are defining the word "unfair."  For example, definitions can include:  
1.not based on or behaving according to the principles of equality and justice (Oxford dictionary)

2.  adj: any thing, rule, law or set of circumstances that doesn't directly assist the interests of the speaker (Urban dictionary).

3.  what you say when your expectations (demands) have not been met (urban dictionary).

If for the sake of our discussion we define 'unfair' according to definition #1 then we would have to discuss the standard or basis for determining the principles of equality and justice.

If for the sake of our discussion we define 'unfair' according to definition #2 then when God says in his word that people with deformities are not allowed to participate in a specific religious ceremony, He is not unfair [he would be applying a law that directly assists the interests of the speaker (i.e. himself)].

If we define 'unfair' according to definition #3 then yes God would be acting 'unfairly' in that your personal expectations have not been met by the law that God has set up.  And in this case, in order to argue to the contrary [that God is acting fairly] you would be expecting me to change your personal expectations.

Semantics. I would choose 1 and 3. 

I don't believe that god exists. I find the passage just another absolutely ridiculous law a bunch of idiotic bronze age goat-herder witch doctors wrote down, and another excuse to abuse people they find inferior. Your wholly babble book is overflowing with such offensive passages.  
I find it offensive. You, coming from the stance that this book is somehow special and "holy", clearly do not. We will never agree on this point.

I'm not expecting YOU to change anything. I didn't write this in this atheist forum to have a debate with a goddamn preacher.

[KevinM1]

God: creates disabled people, doesn't want to look at them after creating them.

'Unfair' might be the wrong word. I prefer the phrase "fucking idiotic and laughable, and how can people believe in this bullshit?"

[vorlon13]

Kinda seems God punishes people for having birth defects with the birth defects they have.


More religious 'logic'.

They should have had more faith before they were born or something.

Echoing the Mormons belief black people have pissed off God in the 'pre-life'  (whatever the fuck that is) and are therefore born with black skins so the rest of the Mormons will know who the fuck ups are after they are born.

[Minimalist]

One deformity (self inflicted) that God likes:

circumcision

Good point, vorlon!  Isn't that a deformity?  A part of the "male organ"  has been removed, it's deformed . . . ah more contradictions.

[robvalue]

Vorlon: Seriously? I thought Mormonism couldn't get any more stupid and offensive. I was wrong.

[Joods]

As a mother of a child with Down syndrome, Atrio Ventricular Canal Defect (repaired), Celiac disease and Aduodenal Atresia (repaired), if god was real, he can go fuck himself.
My kid is bright, charming, sassy, cute, goofy, one of the loves of my life, adorable, sweet, silly and acts like a ham sometimes. She embodies everything I long to be.

[orangebox21]

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In order for me to properly understand your argument I need to understand how you are defining the word "unfair."  For example, definitions can include:  
1.not based on or behaving according to the principles of equality and justice (Oxford dictionary)

2.  adj: any thing, rule, law or set of circumstances that doesn't directly assist the interests of the speaker (Urban dictionary).

3.  what you say when your expectations (demands) have not been met (urban dictionary).

If for the sake of our discussion we define 'unfair' according to definition #1 then we would have to discuss the standard or basis for determining the principles of equality and justice.

If for the sake of our discussion we define 'unfair' according to definition #2 then when God says in his word that people with deformities are not allowed to participate in a specific religious ceremony, He is not unfair [he would be applying a law that directly assists the interests of the speaker (i.e. himself)].

If we define 'unfair' according to definition #3 then yes God would be acting 'unfairly' in that your personal expectations have not been met by the law that God has set up.  And in this case, in order to argue to the contrary [that God is acting fairly] you would be expecting me to change your personal expectations.

Semantics. I would choose 1 and 3. 

I don't believe that god exists. I find the passage just another absolutely ridiculous law a bunch of idiotic bronze age goat-herder witch doctors wrote down, and another excuse to abuse people they find inferior. Your wholly babble book is overflowing with such offensive passages.  
I find it offensive. You, coming from the stance that this book is somehow special and "holy", clearly do not. We will never agree on this point.

I'm not expecting YOU to change anything. I didn't write this in this atheist forum to have a debate with a goddamn preacher.

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Relative to definition #1: How are the principles of equality and justice determined?

Relative to definition #2:  Why do you reject this definition but accept the others?

Relative to definition #3:  Do you think that it is reasonable [having the faculty of reason] to submit the concept of fairness to a single person's 'personal expectations?'  If you read a book and it fails to live up to your expectations would that book be 'unfair'?