The Miracle Of Iron !!

[mo3taz3nbar]

[Purple Rabbit]

[mo3taz3nbar]

So the validity of your argument about scientific statements in the quran is not subject here? Than what is your subject here?

the subject here is the verse about the iron and its not my subject some guy wrote this and left the thread so i was just clarifying things

So we agree on the fact there are no brilliant scientific observations in the quran, the writers were just too ignorant to describe modern scientific facts, and that only in hindsight some statements were selected for reinterpretation to refer to scientific facts.

i didnt say this. am saying that in the time of muhammed(pbuh) they didnt have the tools to know these things and this is a proof that this is not his word but god word as it was impossible to know about a lot of things about universe in their time

Don't refer to sites that try to address science at the level of toddlers and conclusively fail at that. If you think there's no difference between the concept in physics of strings and weaven ropes as in your shoe, than don't build an argument on it and don't refer to sites with that kind of mindless crap on it. If you wanna talk science, talk science. I can handle it, can you?

if the information i told from the links is wrong correct me and give me the right link

Your response doesn't match at all to the argument. Can you detect that yourself or do you need help?

lol sorry about that i was answering you about the space having no up and down

mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

You are restating what I feared you meant: The quran is mallaeable to doctrines of man and not the word of god.
i think i have a little misunderstanding of the word doctorines. what i meant is when someone say that jesus is God it must be written in the scriptures or his claim will be meaningless and it will be clear that he is just saying things from his head.so when a religion face the problem that what they claim is not written in their scriptures they start adding it by themselves
I totally agree and to me it is a quite convincing argument that scriptures cannot go as evidence on their own. How does that help the point you are trying to make about the quran?

you are not matching quotes with the right post also i think

[Purple Rabbit]

[Darwinian]

It may be that the reason the Qu'ran says that iron was 'sent down' to the Earth is because at that time people knew that occasionally rocks (meteors) fell from the sky and many of these would be primarily composed of iron. To people who simply knew nothing about the formation of the Earth or the solar system it would probably seem quite rational to assume that this is where iron comes from.

And if your name is Muhammed and you are creating a new religion to give you power over the masses then why not use this as example of Allah's power, sending iron to the Earth.

[downbeatplumb]

[Darwinian]

I may be wrong and I'd have to look into it further (and I can't be bothered) but I don't think that the collision between Earth MKI and Thea actually provided any extra iron to the Earth as the impact, while completely liquifiying the early Earth back to a droplet of melt only stripped off the outer crust of the Earth.

This impact of course then helped to create Earth MKII which is now where we live and also formed the moon from all the debris.

Although I stand to be corrected.

[Purple Rabbit]

Just to muddy the water, some iron in the earth core is thought to have come here from a massive collision in the early solar system between the earth and a minor planet.

In fact accretion is still going on with iron-based meteorites. But it would be a far stretch to claim that a vague incomplete sentence with high antropomorphic content is anywhere near scientific fact.

[downbeatplumb]

[Darwinian]

Yes, that sounds right. This is why the moon has no iron and we have lots! The moon is therefore an extension of the Earth's crust.

But of course this is all part of the formation of the Earth and you cannot use this example as iron being sent to the Earth as before this impact the 'Earth' was basically a different planet. In a way you could say that Theia and whatever you want to call the planet that was here before are the parents of the Earth.

Anyway, the Qu'ran saying that iron was 'sent down' to the Earth is simply a classic example of assumptions made based on the knowledge of the time. i.e. you see rocks made of iron fall from the sky and you assume that this is how all the iron got here. And if you are prone to belief in magical deities then you further assume that he sent them down as a gift for you.