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Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 12:26 am
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/de...ia-strikes
“Strikes on Isis are a trap. The winner of this war will not be the parties that have the newest, most expensive, most sophisticated weaponry, but the party that manages to have the people on its side.”
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“At the moment, with the bombings, we are more likely pushing the people into the hands of Isis. What we have to do, and this is really key, we have to engage the local people.”
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“Hénin said the summer refugee crisis had been a propaganda blow to Isis. Images of refugees fleeing the Muslim “dreamland” and being welcomed in the lands of “unbelievers” had given a lie to their message of western hatred towards Muslims, he said. “And that is why they probably tried to manipulate the public during the , to make us close our borders, and maybe, even more importantly, to close our minds.”
What an interesting perspective
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 12:39 am
He doesn't offer any real solution, though, except to "engage the local people." What does that even mean and how does he suppose we go about doing it? Meanwhile, Isis continues to kill innocent people every day.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 12:50 am
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(December 6, 2015 at 12:39 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He doesn't offer any real solution, though, except to "engage the local people." What does that even mean and how does he suppose we go about doing it? Meanwhile, Isis continues to kill innocent people every day. The solution is to fight the idea, not the people.
You see if we fight fire with fire, we are playing in to their trap. That's what they want. For us to bomb them so that they can turn around and say "See I told you that they just think all Muslims are the same, they hate you! Come join us". If we close our doors off to them out of fear, we are doing exactly what they want, that's how they get people, they push this idea that everyone else hates them, and that's how they get people to join them, that's how they market themselves as the "good guys".
Look at the third quote.
" refugees fleeing the Muslim “dreamland” and being welcomed in the lands of “unbelievers” had given a lie to their message of western hatred towards Muslims, he said."
Obviously the easy thing to do is to act with violence back, to just bomb them. However, as hard as it may be, we need to welcome those fleeing from ISIS, we need to focus on fighting the propaganda and not the people, and the propaganda is that Western Civilization and other peoples hate Muslims, and view them as all the same, so we need to change that, we need to show the local peoples, that we do not hate them, and will accept them, and do not generalize. The reason we need to focus on the local peoples is because if we don't attempt to change the idea that they have of Western civilization they will become the ISIS of tomorrow. So it doesn't matter, even if we kill the right people[ISIS], because it simply feeds the propaganda they are pushing, and in the end is more counter-productive, because it justifies joining ISIS as we've given them a reason to view those extremists as the good guys, because in their mind when we bomb them, we become the extremists.
“It would be for the international community to take the decision that all the Syrian regions that are held by the opposition are no-fly zones; no-fly zones for everybody. Not the coalition, not the Russians, not the regime. Nobody. So, actually to provide security to the people would be devastating for Isis and this is what the international community should focus on,” he said.
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 1:06 am
It's a good sentiment, for sure. But something about it just feels... off. Like, "oh we need to be super nice to all these people, otherwise they will become mass murderers of innocent men women and children." I mean, really?
I definitely agree that we need to accept refugees and love all people, but because it's the right thing to do. If we feel like we need to baby and walk on egg shells with grown people in the Middle East, we're allowing Isis to control us.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 1:09 am
Being nice and kind only goes so far even then you have a ideology that needs to be reformed.
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Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 1:17 am
I say we bomb the crap out of them. When they are dead the idea dies with them.
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 1:38 am
(December 6, 2015 at 1:17 am)KUSA Wrote: I say we bomb the crap out of them. When they are dead the idea dies with them. So do the innocent civilians as well, great idea, let's fight terrorism by becoming terrorists ourselves! Because that's exactly what terrorism is, killing innocent civilians for personal gain.
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 1:54 am
Quote: "but the party that manages to have the people on its side.”
Oh, not the Hearts and Minds shit again? That didn't work in Vietnam.
We don't do Hearts and Minds well at all.
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 2:55 am
(December 6, 2015 at 1:54 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote: "but the party that manages to have the people on its side.”
Oh, not the Hearts and Minds shit again? That didn't work in Vietnam.
We don't do Hearts and Minds well at all.
Yeah... hearts and minds is bullshit when you have to face someone with a bronze age ideology holding a AK47
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RE: Escaped ISIS Hostage after 10 months tells how to defeat ISIS
December 6, 2015 at 8:00 am
(December 6, 2015 at 1:17 am)KUSA Wrote: I say we bomb the crap out of them. When they are dead the idea dies with them.
Nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
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