Political Correctness

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Political correctness was the brainchild of the Italian socialist Antonio Gramsci and Jewish commie Georg Lukacs who wanted to overthrow the western nations and turn them into commie land.  They cooked up their plot after WWI.  The Jews attempt to turn Germany into commie land made them enemies of the German nation.  

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2...rrectness/

http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-p...rrectness/

Political correctness isn't an invention made by any specific country, it's simply people taking measures to not offend or disadvantage any group.  It can get ridiculous because people can be offended by anything and people are often naturally disadvantaged in comarison to one another.

I think the whole thing is too complex to say would I rather go with or without it.

I don't understand political correctness when it comes to individual words being used.  And I think religions can cause people to be offended irrationally by things in a very stubborn way.

You must not have read the articles.  All ideas start with one person and then it spreads.  The Jewish commies and socialists came up with the idea of politcal correctness as a method to destabilize the Western nations.  They did not do it for the good of humanity.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Yeah, it is.  These words serve to dehumanize.  And once someone is seen is sub-human, then they are outside the umbrella of protection of "civilized" fold-- you know, good guys.  Like. . . white and stuff.

It's hard to point a flame thrower at Korean civilians.  It's easy to point one at "fucking Gooks."  It's hard to attack a homosexual person.  It's easy to beat up a "fucking faggit."  Same thing goes for "fucking niggers."

In those situations it isn't the word that dehumanises them, the word is interchangeable to the dehumanisation.
The word can help a person dehumanise another person, or it could be used to flirt with that person, or joke with them.  I've been called a Brit before by American girls on chat rooms who are flirting, and I might called a Scottish person I like a Scotty, but if I use the word paki in work id get fired because people say this word is racist.  
I got called honkey by my ex girlfriend who was Bengali and I called her chocolate cheeks, the word negro is considered racist but it's derived from a word that means black.
I get your point words can be used to dehumanise and antagonise but the individual words don't make a difference.
The words nigger paki or honkey might not even exist in 1000 years time and it's not important if they do or don't but attitudes are important.
And I don't think it would be easy to harm random homosexuals, black people or Koreans no matter what name you give them and I don't think you would either.

Did you know that "Negro" is the only race mentioned in the original US Constitution?

[KUSA]

Has anyone talked about midgets yet? I found one that I want.

[KUSA]

In those situations it isn't the word that dehumanises them, the word is interchangeable to the dehumanisation.
The word can help a person dehumanise another person, or it could be used to flirt with that person, or joke with them.  I've been called a Brit before by American girls on chat rooms who are flirting, and I might called a Scottish person I like a Scotty, but if I use the word paki in work id get fired because people say this word is racist.  
I got called honkey by my ex girlfriend who was Bengali and I called her chocolate cheeks, the word negro is considered racist but it's derived from a word that means black.
I get your point words can be used to dehumanise and antagonise but the individual words don't make a difference.
The words nigger paki or honkey might not even exist in 1000 years time and it's not important if they do or don't but attitudes are important.
And I don't think it would be easy to harm random homosexuals, black people or Koreans no matter what name you give them and I don't think you would either.

Did you know that "Negro" is the only race mentioned in the original US Constitution?

Was that in reference to antique farm equipment?

[Cinjin]

Regarding OP:



To decide whether or not PC is an appropriately functioning mechanism in our society one must look a the definitions of the words 'politically correct.'

Most definitions of the word 'political' will define the word as:  of or relating to governing, and/or the concerns of a political party.  'Correct', obviously means true and without fault ... or does it?  The word correct has another meaning:  to scold, rebuke, or to point out the errors.  This means political correctness is a product of some ruling body's arbitrary censorship.  What is the dominant group where you live?  If you live in a Hispanic community you will be rebuked (corrected) for verbiage that they find offensive, and so on with any other race, creed, or sexual lifestyle of any group.  

I believe this is why political correctness is such a problem.  It opens a door to abuse and it stifles open communication between opposing groups.  It's essentially governing censorship and any dominant group can be the "governing power".  Attempting to be considerate of others feelings and sensitivities is simply polite.  It has nothing to do with whether or not you have been politically correct.  The biggest racist asshole in the world can hold his tongue.  Being "all PC" is lip service ... it means nothing, and in truth I think the more people feel they HAVE TO be politically correct the more it breeds contempt for the group that has set themselves up to be above the opinions of others.

One will find it difficult to grow and improve if he will not even consider the opinions of others about who they are.  You can always discard the angry irrational rantings of a bigot, but to simply protect yourself under the flag of political correctness has turned into a quagmire of PC bull shit here in the US.   Maybe in Europe too?


Whatever your opinion, I think common sense and politeness should be enough.  This business of "you better not say that here" has just become about unbearable these days. 

[Athene]

I don't use the term PC, since human decency works just as well in my mind. 

I've also noticed that many folks who have a tendency to rail against the suggestion of anything being considered offensive, are often quite easily offended themselves. Of course, when they find something to be insulting or offensive, it's with good and very legitimate reason; usually because they're involved.

[bennyboy]

How about using negative words like "retarded?"  I'm perfectly comfortable using this word when I think someone/something is stupid, exactly because a retarded person is stupid.  But then I have to listen to the outrage from my aunts, and how her special-needs students are "differently abled" and all that.  Fine, let them help my daughter with her calculus homework, then.  I don't like it when the simple reality of the human condition, and the words about it, take a backseat to a kind of condescending "support."

I don't personally advocate using words like "retarded" pejoratively.

When you criticize someone, you criticize them for something that, in your eyes, is dysfunctional.

With respect to at least one person in this thread, if a driver bumped into my car in the parking lot, I'd likely ask, "Dude, are you blind?"  That means neither that I really think the person is blind, nor that I have a general disrespect for people who really can't see well.  But the analogy is clear enough, and fair enough.

It is true that retarded people don't think as well as others.  When a normal person acts in a way in which they aren't processing ideas as they should, then I am likely to ask "Dude, are you retarded?"  Again, that means neither that I really think the person is retarded, nor that I have a general disrespect for people who really can't think well.  But the analogy is clear enough, and fair enough, in my opinion.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

PC debates always arise this time of year, because people get "offended" by words like "Christmas" or manger scenes in yards.  It's a little ironic because PC is meant to be speech to make all feel inclusive, but in reality it's rephrasing to exclude that which people find offensive and in turn offending others.  It's a not a "holiday" tree lighting ceremony.  it's a Christmas tree lighting ceremony.  It's not a holiday menora, it's a Hanukkah Menora.  Call it what it is.

When people start having hissy fits over this stuff, I go out of my way to call them "holiday" trees and - though I've never in my life heard of it before right now - a "holiday" menorah just to piss them off.

My coworker went on a rant about a month ago saying that now that our lone Jewish employee no longer worked at our office that she wasn't going to call our winter office party a "holiday" party anymore, she was going to call it a Christmas party, damn it!!  And though I don't really care what it's called (calling things "Christmas" trees or "Christmas" presents don't irk me at all) I added her discussion item to the office meeting agenda as "Holiday" party simply because her ranting about it annoyed me.

Calling it a Holiday Tree or a Christmas Tree or Pagan Tree or a Shmoogleoffenmieser Tree is simply a stupid argument to have to me - it's a nice, seasonal decoration/decorative motif, who really gives two craps what it's called?  Is it really that important?  And getting bent out of shapes because someone wished you "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is, to me, juvenile and culturally self-centered.  IMO, saying "Happy holidays" encompasses Thanksgiving, one's seasonal holiday of choice, and New Years so when I say it I'm not merely wishing someone a nice single day, I'm wishing them a nice winter season with whomever they celebrate their holidays with.  And when someone says it to me, I assume they mean roughly the same thing; and besides, they don't know what holiday I celebrate, be is Christmas, Hanukkah, Ramadan, Kwanzaa, solstice, Festivus, or whatever.

You know what God said about holidays?  "Fuck your holidays and festivals."

Isaiah 1:13-14 (CEV) = "13 Your sacrifices are worthless,
    and incense is disgusting.
I can’t stand the evil you do
    on your New Moon Festivals
or on your Sabbaths
    and other times of worship.
14 I hate your New Moon Festivals
    and all others as well.
They are a heavy burden
    I am tired of carrying."

[Regina]

It can go too far. I get tired of when little trivial things, or even humour, are taken out of context and people get offended at it. Sometimes, humour is genuinely funny way to approach taboo topics.

I also get sick of seeing straight white liberals "getting offended" on other peoples' bahalves, and not being sincere about it. For example, if you want to speak out and show your support for LGBT people, I really appreciate that. What I don't need is you telling me when to be offended. I have the right to see homophobia in a particular instance or to not see homophobia, I don't need to be told "this is offensive and you should be outraged". I can decide that for myself.

Another thing is that selective outrage I'm always calling out. If you're going to be PC, at least be fucking consistent with it. I'm tired of seeing the liberals go off on someone who is in a relatively "privileged" position in society for something, and then turn a blind eye when someone who is in some way a minority does the exact same thing.

Shit like this pisses me off;




I'm not saying anything here is right or wrong. I'm just saying, if you want to be a PC brigade member who wants to sensor everything in society, you have to have that standard for everyone, not just for straight white Christians. You can either not take offense at anything, or take offense to everything. There's no one standard for one group of people and then a completely different standard for everyone else. Misogyny is misogyny whether it's coming out the mouth of a straight or a gay man, and anti-semitism is still anti-semitism when it's coming from a Muslim.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Would you rather live in a world where evolution made a different turn, not creating political correctness a function of the brain? Or would you rather continue to live in this world? Why for either?

What?

A function of the brain?

No, it's some Americans ripping a fart, back in the early 80ies, if I'm not mistaken. And when Americans rip a fart, it usually drifts over the ocean. So that's pretty much the birth of Political Correctness. No brains involved.

Let's put the blame back where it belongs shall we? Political correctness is the brainchild of the so-called Frankfort school, leftist European intellectuals working in the US. Because the workers' revolution never happened they prompted 'critical' theory to undermine capitalism.