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[God of Mr. Hanky]

Always understand there is a huge difference between hate of bad logic, hate of that logic leading to bad conclusions and bad behavior, and that of human rights. No matter what we know is wrong about religion, we cannot, nor should we ever forget that we are still the same species. Penn Jillette "Don't hate the faithful, hate faith itself, fuck faith".

I sometimes think the common misunderstanding is when the faithful are confused with the cons.

[drfuzzy]

Religion is, itself, a con.  It's a bunch of lies designed to separate people from their reason . . . separate them from their money . . . and turn them into nice little obedient, non-questioning sheeple.  It was designed to give a non-alpha male power over others, and make sure he never actually had to work.  So, of course, all preachers/priests/rabbis/imams, etc., are con artists. As long as most of the population falls for their crap, we can't do anything against them.  The news of how much money they make, and how they scam anyone they can, is all over the internet.  Their followers just refuse to believe it.

[brewer]

Religion is, itself, a con.  It's a bunch of lies designed to separate people from their reason . . . separate them from their money . . . and turn them into nice little obedient, non-questioning sheepl.  It was designed to give a non-alpha male power over others, and make sure he never actually had to work.  So, of course, all preachers/priests/rabbis/imams, etc., are con artists. As long as most of the population falls for their crap, we can't do anything against them.  The news of how much money they make, and how they scam anyone they can, is all over the internet.  Their followers just refuse to believe it.

Then.........expressing outrage is OK. Raging against the machine seems somewhat pointless. Enlisting others to rage with you seems over the top (to put it nicely).

[MW85]

Alright I'm back. Where do I begin?

SteelCurtain, you may think calling for them to be banned may be antithetical to American speech. Did you know that Gnat on air back in '05 had called for the death of a World Leader Hugo Chavez Live on TV? What if a Middle Eastern looking man Did that on TV in America? He would be investigated immeadiately, but because is Gnat is white and in a suit, no one almost bats an eyelash or anything. And he also said that Gays and people that support Gays should go to hell. And thinking all gays like anal sex which is putting in ignorant minds that stereotypes that ignorant people and homophobes have about gays and claiming that a man was cured of his homosexuality, which causes people to buy into the lie that homosexuality can be cured which is not true at all.

An anti gay pastor who was later found out to be on an Gay hookup website had told a young gay man that he would go to hell. They young man that was being told that had said that he was about to commit suicide because he figured that he's gay and he's going to hell anyway so he figured he might as well do it. Thankfully he didn't. This is the same thing that Gnat is doing except across TV in America. And what if someone commited suicide after hearing his comments?

Now even if someone may have not killed themselves over it, he's just one of many that are basically commiting verbal murder. Yeah I know that's over the top, but that's my opinion.

What if Gnat was on TV constantly saying things negative things about Blacks, Latino, and Asians? Freedom of Speech is one thing, but when it is used to constantly degrade a class of people who are constantly being targeted for being who they are, then yes you need to face some type of consequences. You know I could yell in a crowd "I'm going to kill all of you!" and I would be taken off to jail. That's what I'm trying to say. You can say whatever you want to say, but expect consequences.

Perhaps someone can knock Gnat off of his seat and replace him and spread education and truth about gays and stuff.

This is the same reason why I wish that Fox News would be shut down at this point or perhaps face some type of penalty. They're constantly discriminating against my people (blacks) and constantly spreading lies and they're inciting hatred in minds ( Baby Tiller killer look that term up on Google if you want. )

And please do not compare me to them by saying I'm no better than them. I'm just reacting to all the lies an hatred that these people are spreading. That's like saying that angry blacks shouldn't be angry when they're constantly being profiled and discriminated against by racist whites. IMO no difference here. In fact I hardly talk to myself and I have never posted about this until now. I've sat and watched and listened to this and I just had enough and I will not stay silent.

I don't go around saying that religous people should burn in hell, or that they're swine, except for the ones in power like the Telavengelists. I don't give people false hope like Foul Osteen. I would offer my condolences to a mother instead of telling her that baby could have grown up to be a bad guy/girl.

In fact, even though Foul Ostten and Gnat are dispicible, they wouldn't deserve this thankfully and hopefully not real hell. And I'm not rich and have a mansion and I don't tell lies to millions of people around the world.

But you're right, I am angry. These people are missuing their power for evil and are fleecing the flock. Foul with his mansion and megachurch and Gnat with his African mines. They could use all that money to fund science and cures for various diseases. I don't condone stealing, but yet I hope whoever stole that money from Osteen's church at the very least gave that money for charity or science at least.

I give a damn enough to care about people to tell the truth and not be lead astray.

And by the way I don't consider myself anything. I don't like religous or non-religous labels. It's the same thing with politics.


Mr. B, IMO it's not pointless to as you put it "Rage Against the Machine". Sometimes you have to become angry and enforce change to better the world. Perhaps someone would be lurking and I inadverantly to hope that I'm planting a seed of logic in their head. Perhaps they can post something similar somewhere else on the web.

CLady, what I'm exposing is outright lies Foul Osteen is spreading. He's saying things like "God is going to bring you ahead, etc...

Look at the stuff I posted. I'll put it this way. How an I tying almighty hands of God? He's supposed to be God. And if anybody's the thief it's not this devil, it's God himself for letting things happen.

Stimbo is correct IMO. But also let me say something similar this way. We non-religous don't like the religous imposing thier beliefs on us. So here is what I will say to you religous people that I hope will make you think.

Treat this God or diety you beleive in as another human being. And also put yourself in the position of God.

What if you were God and you watched someone sitting on the computer posting internet prayer requests to you and at one other night cried out to you. Wouldn't your natural instinct would be to help right away? You know at times since God is said to know our thoughs, I had fantasized about what I want God do to the person who psycholigcally abused me. I simply wanted God to make the person lose thier job. This God has yet to "settle my accounts". But you know what wether or not he exists, I wouldn't want nothing to do with him/her/it anyway.

So again, pretend you're God and let me ask you these questions:

Why would you sit back and watch a 10 year old girl getting murdered by a 17 year old man? But yet help a team win a sports game or find a parking space or find lost car keys?

Why would you tell a presidantal candidate the answers to a test for a college exam, but allow a now deceased huckster psychic to tell a mother that her missing daughter is dead which caused her to die because of giref, when in fact you had knowledge that her daughter was alive and well and help captive along with 2 other girls by a now deceased madman? You refused to tell her BTW.

Why would you refuse to tell a mother who's girl went missing in 1991 that she's being held by a sexual pedophile and that she lost 18 years of her life, but yet constantly give Words of Knowledge to a bigoted man who spreads hatred against gays, minorities (kinda hate that word by the way) or non religous or people of other religons and called for the death of another human being on air?

Why would you withhold information on various unsolved cases of people who have been murdered, but yet free a clerk from jail who refused marriage licenses?

Remember, you're all powerful and created the universe. If you knew the beginning from the end and you already knew people were going to burn in hell, would you create that person. You wouldn't torture a cat or a dog would you?

This is the God that Foul Osteen preaches. I've actually tried to look up criiticism of Osteen, but no one has posted what I posted about it and it's coming from christian that IMO are no better than by spreading the lies about Hell and Judgemnt. I don't care wether or not Osteen talks about Jesus or whatever, but I know better and this is exactly why religon is a hot mess.

You know something is up when I can come up with a better solution than God. You know something is up after looking at those questions. Yeah I got off topic for a bit.

And by the way I have more to post later on. I'm exhausted from typing. So yeah I'm going to keep making noise about this and will not stay silent.

I'll have the laptop all night until 6. And then I'll likely be on again at 8, so you might see post more frequently throughout midnight.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

You could just explain to me your point of view on it rather than leave a condescending remark.

I'm upset that some anonymous person on an internet forum disagrees with me!

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Alright I'm back. Where do I begin?

SteelCurtain, you may think calling for them to be banned may be antithetical to American speech. Did you know that Gnat on air back in '05 had called for the death of a World Leader Hugo Chavez Live on TV? What if a Middle Eastern looking man Did that on TV in America? He would be investigated immeadiately, but because is Gnat is white and in a suit, no one almost bats an eyelash or anything. And he also said that Gays and people that support Gays should go to hell. And thinking all gays like anal sex which is putting in ignorant minds that stereotypes that ignorant people and homophobes have about gays and claiming that a man was cured of his homosexuality, which causes people to buy into the lie that homosexuality can be cured which is not true at all.

An anti gay pastor who was later found out to be on an Gay hookup website had told a young gay man that he would go to hell. They young man that was being told that had said that he was about to commit suicide because he figured that he's gay and he's going to hell anyway so he figured he might as well do it. Thankfully he didn't. This is the same thing that Gnat is doing except across TV in America. ANd what if someone commited suicide after hearing his comments?

Now even if someone may have not killed themselves over it, he's just one of many that are basically commiting verbal murder. Yeah I know that's over the top, but that's my opinion.

What if Gnat was on TV constantly saying things negative things about Blacks, Latino, and Asians? Freedom of Speech is one thing, but when it is used to constantly degrade a class of people who are constantly being targeted for being who they are, then yes you need to face some type of consequences. You know I could yell in a crowd "I'm going to kill all of you!" and I would be taken off to jail. That's what I'm trying to say. You can say whatever you want to say, but expect consenequences.

Perhaps someone can knock Gnat off of his seat and replace him and spread education and truth about gays and stuff.

This is the same reason why I wish that Fox News would be shut down at this point or perhaps face some type of penalty. They're constantly discriminating against my people (blacks) and constantly spreading lies and they're inciting hatred in minds ( Baby Tiller killer look that term up on Google if you want. )

And please do not compare me to them by saying I'm no better than them. I'm just reacting to all the lies an hatred that these people are spreading. That's like saying that angry blacks shouldn't be angry when they're constantly being profiled and discriminated against by racist whites. IMO no difference here. In fact I hardly talk to myself and I have never posted about this until now. I've sat and watched and listened to this and I just had enough and I will not stay silent.

I don't go around saying that religous people should burn in hell, or that they're swine, except for the ones in power like the Telavengelists. I don't give people false hope like Foul Osteen. I would offer my condolences to a mother instead of telling her that baby could have grown up to be a bad guy/girl.

In fact, even though Foul Ostten and Gnat are dispicible, they wouldn't deserve this thankfully and hopefully not real hell. And I'm not rich and have a mansion and I don't tell lies to millions of people around the world.

But you're right, I am angry. These people are missuing their power for evil and are fleecing the flock. Foul with his mansion and megachurch and Gnat with his African mines.  They could use all that money to fund science and cures for various diseases. I don't condone stealing, but yet I hope whoever stole that money from Osteen's chuch at the very least gave that money for charity or science at least.

I give a damn enough to care about people to tell the truth and.

And by the way I don't consider myself anything. I don't like religous labels. It's the same thing with politics.


Mr. B, IMO it's not pointless to as you put "Rage Against the Machine". Sometimes you have to become angry and enforce change to better the world. Perhaps someone would be lurking and I inadverantly to hope that I'm planting a seed of logic in their head. Perhaps they can post something similar someone else on the web.

CLady, what I'm exposing is outright lies Foul Osteen is spreading. He's saying things like "God is going to bring you ahead, etc...

Look at the stuff I posted. I'll put it this way. How an I tying almighty hands of God? He's supposed to be God. And if anybody's the thief it's not this devil, it's God himself for letting things happen.


Stimbo is correct IMO. But also let me say it this way. We non-religous don't like the religous imposing thier beliefs on us. So here is what I wil say to you religous people that I hope will make you think.

Treat this God or diety you beleive in as another human being. And also put yourself in the position of God.

What if you were God and you watched someone sitting on the computer posting internet prayer requests to you and at one other night cried out to you. Wouldn't your natural instinct would be to help right away? You know at times since God is said to know our thoughs, I had fantasized about what I want God do to the person who psycholigcally abused me. I simply wanted God to make the person lose thier job. This God has yet to "settle my accounts". But you know what wether or not he exists, I wouldn't want nothing to do with him/her/it anyway.

So again, put yourself in God's position and look at this:

Would you sit back and watch a 10 year old girl getting murdered by a 17 year old man? Or help a team win a sports game or find a parking space or find lost car keys?

Would you tell a presidantal candidate the answers to a test for a college exam, or but allow a huckster psychic to tell a mother that her missing daughter is dead when in fact she was alive and wel and help captive along with 2 other girls by a madman? You refused to tell her BTW. Hmm?

Would you refuse to tell a mother who's girl went missing in 1991 that she's being held by a sexual pedophile and lost 18 years of her life, but yet constantly give Words of Knowledge to a bigoted man who spreads hatred against gays, minorities (kinda hate that word by the way) or non religous or people of other religons and called for the death of another human being on air?

This is the God that Foul Osteen preaches. You know something is up when I can come up with a better solution than God. Yeah I got off topic for a bit.

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And by the way I have more to post later on. I'm exhausted from typing. But I'll have the laptop all night until 6. And then I'll likely be on again at 8, so you might see post more frequently throughout midnight.

You are a fully grown American adult citizen.  You can express your opinion in a variety of ways in a variety of media.  If people value your opinion they will support it.  If they don't then they will ignore it.

If you live close to your nemesis you can personally picket his place of operations. You can start a blog about them or make YouTube videos about them. There's a million ways to deal with problems so you just have to find some that will produce the results that you think you want.

[Catholic_Lady]

CLady, what I'm exposing is outright lies Foul Osteen is spreading. He's saying things like "God is going to bring you ahead, etc...

Look at the stuff I posted. I'll put it this way. How an I tying almighty hands of God? He's supposed to be God. And if anybody's the thief it's not this devil, it's God himself for letting things happen.

First of all let me just say I'm sorry for all the bad things you've gone through. I hope things can continue to improve for you. And of course, welcome to the forums.

My issue is with saying that he's telling lies. Lying is a deliberate act of saying something that you know is false. I'm not a fan of Osteen and I really don't like the fact that he's a rich pastor... but a liar? What he's saying in those quotes you posted are all very basic Christian principles. If he's Christian, as he says he is, then he fully believes what he said about God. This is not lying. When a person says something that they sincerely believe is the truth, they are not lying.   

Also, and I'm not sure if you realize, but when he's saying stuff like "God is going to bring you ahead", he's referring to the next life. 

As for the stuff about God allowing things to happen... well, you are absolutely right that we believe He does. But that is part of giving us free will, and we believe the Demon plays a role in tempting us to take wrong paths that ultimately lead to more pain and suffering. 

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^You may not believe all that, and that is perfectly fine of course. But I just don't understand this whole thing about "exposing him." It's like you're exposing him for speaking Christian principles..., but of course he does. He's a Christian pastor! Lol. There's nothing to "expose", in that regard. Perhaps you could "expose" how much money he makes and how much of it he spends on useless luxuries rather than giving to charity, as Christ taught. That would be more accurately referred to as exposure, and I would back you up on it 100%.

[drfuzzy]

Religion is, itself, a con.  It's a bunch of lies designed to separate people from their reason . . . separate them from their money . . . and turn them into nice little obedient, non-questioning sheepl.  It was designed to give a non-alpha male power over others, and make sure he never actually had to work.  So, of course, all preachers/priests/rabbis/imams, etc., are con artists. As long as most of the population falls for their crap, we can't do anything against them.  The news of how much money they make, and how they scam anyone they can, is all over the internet.  Their followers just refuse to believe it.

Then.........expressing outrage is OK. Raging against the machine seems somewhat pointless. Enlisting others to rage with you seems over the top (to put it nicely).

Well . . . sort of.  I think that if we could all express outrage, in nice clear little memes and quotes and soundbites, and get the word out, sooner or later some progress would be made.  But at least here in 'Murica (land of the fruits and nuts and televangelists) atheists are well aware that we are still in the minority.  Rather than raging, it seems more productive to just keep showing the xtian population how much money these guys are raking in, how much they are spending on themselves, and how little they are giving to the poor.  The first goal, in my humble opinion, would be to finally get the sheeple to rise up in outrage against these frauds.

[MW85]

Those to me are not "basic" Christian prinicples. And if they are, then I can turn into various animals.

"Maybe you've been through verbal abuse, physical abuse, even sexual abuse. Someone did you a terrible injustice."
"God is seeing everything done wrong to you." "God want to restore everything that the enemy/ devil has stolen from you."
"He will never leave you or forsake you.""He's closer to you than a brother."

These are things Foul said. He's telling people really absurd things wether he realizes it or not and someone needs to listen to him talk about his sorry excuse for a God and look at that God as a human being or put themselves in God's position.

So what would you do if you saw someone in the act of sexually abusing and raping a child, or a defenseless child or defenseless adult getting beaten up or in the act of getting murdered (and they're an innocent victim).  If it happened to me and someone like a relative or friend knew, watched and did nothing, not even running away to get help, I would sever all ties with them for good. And heck I would probably want them charged as an accessory after the fact. Seriously? You would want a worship a God that knew this would before anyone would be born. That's sick. Wouldn't it be merciful to have them to cease to exist rather than letting them burn in a fire for eternity for stealing a small item or sizing a hot woman/man that one would find attractive?

If this so-called God restored a rape victim's life and he/she became God's "child", then this God is a sheisty bastard and set up the person to be raped so that he can get them to praise him. That's a dick move. No way. If this God existed and I stood before him, God better hope that Jerry Springer has his security waiting in the wings, ready to intervene/ or the angels ready to restrain me.

And the Free Will thing I despise. Why would you create a world knowing bad things would already happening. What's the point?

And God bringing me ahead to the next life? A life where a person is in Heaven, but a loved one is in Hell?  What if the world was on fire/hell and New York became a floating city up in the sky/Heaven? What if you were in NYC, but someone you love, a relative, a freind, or even a favorite celebrity was stranded in the fires burning the entire world ? How would you feel?

And speaking of Free Will and this also why I'm exposing the 700 Flub. This is back in 11' when I was watching this garbage show for comfort.

Some guy in the middle east had said that Jesus came to him in a dream and after that he became a "Christian".

Another person on that horrid show said that Jesus came to them and gave them a vision to make a statue of Jesus.

Some woman was about to commit suicide when she said that "God" gave her mother downstairs a "nudge" and she ran upstairs to prevent her daughter from killing herself.

Not on the evil show 700 Flub, but on the news I belive, some man was about to commit suicide when he jumped off a building and landed on a car, which saved his life. And I know some people said that God saved the man's life.

Remember this so-called Jesus / all powerful God didn't intervene by prayer. And he even answered a non-christian at that.

Speaking of prayer, it is useless. What's the difference between God interfering in people's lives motivated by prayer vs God intervening without someone "praying to him"?

I believed those stories on the 700 Flub, so I took out a picture from my past and I asked this ImcompententOrNotRealGod when this picture was taken. In fact all this so called being had to do was give me the date/number, because in the picture were Valentine heart decorations on a chalkboard and I knew the year. I told this "being" to give the answers to me in a dream.

And if this so called God did that, I would make a diary. I would write I wore this color shirt and etc...

I was going to ask what I ate on certain days,etc.. I figured if God either didn't get justice or if justice was still in progress, in the meantime God could do this for me. And this is taking in both Foul's message and the 700 Flub stories. Foul did say that God is looking out for me right? Or that Gnat is asking the viewer "You're wondering where God is at in your situation" And that he'll give you "peace", and all other bull crap.

Guess what, no answer. There were times I asked this "being" to show me a happy memory from my past in a dream before the 2004 incident to show me as a sign that he's still "settling my accounts" as Foul put it so that I could keep my emotions in check. Nothing.  I also asked this now invisible being in my mind, when the TV was on, to show me the word "justice" for the next commercial that was about to appear.

Actually it did and I kinda belived it was, but then looking back on it, the channel that I had it on frequently plays that commercial.

You know I also was so desperate for justice that I read that unforgiveness puts a wall between me and this being. But then I also read that God answers the prayer of his people and in order to ask God I had to become his child.

I did that bogus prayer to ask God to come into my life. Now those that said they become "Christian" say that they felt something in them. Looking back, I didn't feel a thing. And I also read an article that said that "Do not become a child of God so that you want your enemies to pay" and another article that said "God will not answers the prayer of a sinner asking to be saved".

And then some articles saying that you don't have to say any prayer out loud. Just only beleive. So damned confusing.

So this God knew that I would be going through this before I was even born ( "I knew you before you were born" ), and he knew he wasn't going to do anything for me, why bring me into the world anyway? If this sorry excuse for a God knows the beginning to the end, wouldn't he trust me that I would try to "keep up a good attitude" as Foul put it. Yet this "God" or the buyingbull tells us to always trust him? So much for all knowing.

This is why I hope to keep spreading this.  For me in order to heal, I would never set foot in a church to listen to how awesome this "being" is. Now when a pastor or televeanglist is on TV and I hear them talk about God healing you and this and that, I have to quickly go into another room, sometimes I kinda cover my ears ( my mother watches these hucksters on TV, so I don't try to do it in front of her ). One time she went downstairs and she left the TV on and I was in my middle room when I can hear some person on TV speaking about God. I went to my mother's room and closed the door and went back to my room. The TV was still on, but I couldn't hear the person speaking anymore.

Basically I got mentally drunk listening to these hucksters spouting false promises, and in to stay sober from religon I can't hear them speak how awesome God is otherwise those feelings of anger and disappointment start rising in me. This is just like why former alcoholics can never touch a bottle again or they start to relapse.

I read some non-beliving spouses go with thier religous partner to church. Personally I couldn't do it if it were me. If I were in a church now and start hearing the pastor speak about God, I would have to get up and leave.

The quote from Marvel's Spiderman: With great power comes great responsibility." So if this God were real, then he has failed to take responsibility and that should look at this God as a another human being.      

This is why I'm going to go around. And if there is a lurker here in this thread, then perhaps they can be inspired by my post and post something similar. So if you think I'm angry, then so be it.

Don't think that I want to force you to drop your religon, but at the same time, think about this after reading this and make your decision and I hope you'll make the logical decision. Continue to live in fantasy land or be free. If you've grown up into religon, I understand it may be hard to let go right away. Take your time and process. I'm so relived to know that Heaven and Hell may possibility not real. And also glad the "Rapture" won't take place after all. It's actually kind of bittersweet.

All right, I'm done for now. If I can then I'll be back later.

[MW85]

Hey I'm back. Another person I'd like to expose is

Todd The Con. This person is a scoundrel. He is in charge of something called the "c'Rock'ofshit Wealth Ministires"

There's this thing on TV called the "Non-Inspiring Scam Meeting", that's my name for it, which plays during midnight and early morning. Basically this guys says to sow in a seed by writing a check and what you want on it. Then send it to him and you'll reap a harvest. This makes me so mad. Back in 11' I happened to catch him on this and he basically says things like "He is annointed and that people watching this that this a "divine" meeting. And keep in mind this runs at least maybe 2-3 times a day. In my time of distress, I though this was a so-called sign of God. because I had sent prayer requests about my situation before this.

What's really dispicable is that he comes up with all different amounts to send in. For example :

237$ 2 Father and Son, 3 Trinity, 7 Days of Creation

And what's really sad is that there's people as far as UK sending in money to this crook. Looking back, the scary thing is that I could've asked my mother to send this man a check and on the part where you write what you want a check for, I could've put "For Person to be Brought To Justice and Vindication". THankfully I didn't, but he was saying that when he meets people, they end up being blessed.

He spouts off crap abouit his "FedX" miracale and the usual spiel about God, Heaven, hell, etc.. He came up with this story about how a father written him a check for his son to play football. Soon after his son was able to go to college and play football.

And I even sent this person a prayer request at his website.

And note that there's a man named David Curello who is the son of Morris Curello, another huckster with that "Spring Water" Scam. That says something.
Wehter you're a poster or if there is someone here who is reading this and a lurker only, please post about this wherever you can.

Recently I decided to watch this last month with a non-beleiving mind and I had to turn the volume down at times and then had to turn.


Three other hucksters that I watched on TV during '11 and that I had sent prayer requests to is Creflo DOLLAR, who recently asked money for a private jet. ANd yes his last name is in capitals because it's what it's really about.

And Rod Falsely. Recently, Falsely said that he healed a baby with brain cancer. Back when I was the prayer request section, there was a form to fill in my address and that is what is required.

And the most infamous one is P'enny Hinn. I saw something back in late '10 where he said "You had a bad year, let God write out the last few months of this year. I though at the time that it was a sign from God or something like that. And if I was him and I had healing powers, wouldn't you go everywhere and heal people. It's so sad that these people are still falling for these criminals.

And another criminal operation being done on Live TV is the Con A Thon on TBN. Please spread this whenever and where ever you can.