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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:15 am
(December 26, 2015 at 10:13 am)robvalue Wrote: He said a random process can count as design, which is bizarre to me. However, I still don't see evidence that there was even a random process that "designed" this universe. Design is a verb, but it doesn't seem to be being used like one.
I'll have you know a whole section of string theory is dedicated to proving that our universe's physical laws were assigned through a process of random selection. See I'm not crazy. People believe that a design can be achieved by random events.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:17 am
(December 26, 2015 at 10:13 am)robvalue Wrote: So how do you know this isn't one?
How do I know if this is a reality that is not designed?
Because I know this reality is designed. .
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:17 am
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It's a hypothesis, (string theory) though. You're stating design is a fact. That's a big difference.
If I gave you two realities and told you one was designed and one wasn't, how would you tell which was which?
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:19 am
(December 26, 2015 at 10:12 am)pool Wrote: (December 26, 2015 at 9:19 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Also, pool, your saying anything under imposed rule is designed and that our world is under imposed rule therefore designed. When I asked you if you thought that everything is designed, you said "No". This seems to be a contradiction, like I said before I'm not sure you know what your talking about. You always try to make up definitions and dress them up in a lot of gibberish to make it seem like your coming up with some deep smart position that nobody has thought of before, when really your just talking nonsense. Rhythm's Horse example clearly explains that even if you could establish imposed rules (which you can't) it still doesn't imply design.
1. That's not what you asked.
Quote:So your saying everything is designed? Nothing is naturally occurring?
This is what you asked.
2. This is exactly what happened when I made that thread which led me to Ignosticism. Everyone was like - "What a load a crap you're talking pool. This is bullshit. You're making up definitions. You're crazy. Did you forget to take your medication? What are you smoking?"
And then when rob said what I had thought of was a real thing called Ignosticism everyone that said I was crazy were nowhere to be seen. No "Oh you were rightsies" No "I didn't know that was a real thingsies" No nothing. Haha.
That is exactly the same question.
I don't know wtf you are talking about .
Can you keep your brain straight long enough to answer some very simple questions that myself and other posters have asked you?
Do you think everything is designed? If not answer Rob's question, Tell us what a non designed reality would look like?
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:20 am
(December 26, 2015 at 10:17 am)robvalue Wrote: It's a hypothesis, (string theory) though. You're stating design is a fact. That's a big difference.
See that's just a statement. You're not asking me anything. This is confusing for me. Although I think you mean that design is not a fact, meaning I'm wrong because you don't think our world is designed.
However I can show examples for why our reality is designed.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:20 am
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(December 26, 2015 at 10:17 am)pool Wrote: (December 26, 2015 at 10:13 am)robvalue Wrote: So how do you know this isn't one?
How do I know if this is a reality that is not designed?
Because I know this reality is designed. .
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But you just admitted that you don't know what a non-designed Universe would look like. With nothing to compare, how can you possibly recognise design?
On fact, before we get too deep into this, let's clarify our terms. By "design", are you suggesting intent, or merely the appearance of design - that "designoid" we discussed earlier?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:21 am
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I have no idea what you're talking about I'm afraid Pool. I have tried hard 
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:21 am
(December 26, 2015 at 10:17 am)robvalue Wrote: It's a hypothesis, (string theory) though. You're stating design is a fact. That's a big difference.
If I gave you two realities and told you one was designed and one wasn't, how would you tell which was which?
By checking if one of the realities have a set of imposed rules or not.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:21 am
(December 26, 2015 at 10:20 am)pool Wrote: However I can show examples for why our reality is designed.
Go for it.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 26, 2015 at 10:24 am
For the others that think I'm trying to trick them into thinking God is real:
If anything, how I look at design only disproves God. A God apparently have no rules attached to him, no constraints, neither is he bound to any imposed rules - which is exactly why a God cannot exist in our reality because everything in our reality is bound by constraints and have imposed rules such as the laws of physics.
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