Yup. This is For Certain.

[Minimalist]

Um....

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/ammon-bu...-building/

Ammon Bundy rejects sheriff’s offer of safe passage out of Oregon federal building

Protest leader Ammon Bundy met with Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who offered to escort the occupiers out of the state as a way to end the standoff, but Bundy declined.

So apparently we just sit and wait?

[Minimalist]

BTW, I think that was a real pussy move by the sheriff to begin with.

[Whateverist]

I am not saying take away their guns, but, yes, that is precisely what I am saying.  Honestly, gun nutters are just that, nuts.

I say we exercise our 2nd amendment rights to out vote them by shooting their asses.

[paulpablo]

There's just too many variables to say that if these guys were black they would definitely be dead by now, and I agree with captainawesome that it's a pretty insane thing that you just want these guys to be shot dead rather than to be allowed to carry on breaking the law.

There's no nuances in the arguments presented and it seems pretty primitive to me, these white guys did everything wrong, can't be sympathised with even slightly and the government should kill them.

Contrast this to the Michael Brown case, he goes into a shop threatens people with violence, steals, gets violent with a police officer, it's claimed he went for the officers gun and gets shot, then the same people who say these white people should be shot dead for violating the law will say that this guy didn't deserve to be shot dead.

I definitely don't agree with what the people from the Bundy ranch are doing from the information I can gather about what's going on.  But there seems to be a strange amount of enthusiasm for them to be shot dead, as if anyone on this forum cares deeply and emotionally about this wildlife refuge in the middle of nowhere , and all of a sudden there seems to be a great deal of sympathy for the American government in relation to this particular event, the rest of the time people are complaining America is too violent, uses guns and military power to readily, but in this case it's some Mormon white guys who are pissing the government so the answer is kill em all.

Even if you disagree with what they are protesting or the way they're doing it do you not see it as a good thing that it's not a Waco style shootout with people dying and that at the moment some sort of diplomacy is being used?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

You realize that force doesn't require violence, only the threat of it, right?

I think you need to understand the terms being used here. If I point a gun at you and demand your wallet, that is taking your wallet by force. Simply because I didn't shoot you doesn't mean force wasn't involved.

As for "terrorized", I didn't say anyone was.  What I said was that this is a textbook case of terrorism, which it is.


Yes.  Here's that first paragraph:


That isn't a comparison.  That is pointing out the assumptions most  Americans hold. I've emphasized where that point is made.


You'll need to change your name to Captain Dumbass if that's the takeaway you got from my post.  Really, I had thought you were smarter than this.

Nobody is terrorized, no force was used, there has been 0 violence and you haven't had your coffee yet or something. If you think they should be labeled at terrorists, what do you think the government should do? Go in and shoot them all?

I would put good money that if these guys were left wing you guys would have no problem with them.

Is there some kind of requirement that conservatives be assholes? I don't support terrorists, no matter what ideology they follow. Liberalism means believing in the rights, protected equally under law, of all persons. Terrorists, by definition, attempt to assert their own desires over the agreed-upon rights of others by using force and/or terror, rather than utilizing the political/social processes we have in place to do it peacefully. 

As someone who was wrongfully imprisoned for nearly a decade, you'll find few people who are more skeptical of the power of government agents and the overreach of our police powers... but these men are threatening to kill law enforcement for carrying out the lawful duty of police, as they violate the law of the land in clear defiance of the lawful authority of the government, simply because they want to profit, which is a terrorist act. I'm a former environmental scientist/field biologist, yet I would not care if they were doing this same action on behalf of protecting the refuge. The moment they brought guns and threats into their actions, they ceased to be political activists and became terrorists. 

Fuck them and fuck you for saying I would support them if they shared my ideology.

[account_inactive]

The authorities should shoot these cunts dead already and stop wasting everyone else's time, or if you're for a less extreme option - put a blanket reporting ban on the situation and cut their access to food and water. Simple.

[CapnAwesome]

Nobody is terrorized, no force was used, there has been 0 violence and you haven't had your coffee yet or something. If you think they should be labeled at terrorists, what do you think the government should do? Go in and shoot them all?

I would put good money that if these guys were left wing you guys would have no problem with them.

Is there some kind of requirement that conservatives be assholes? I don't support terrorists, no matter what ideology they follow. Liberalism means believing in the rights, protected equally under law, of all persons. Terrorists, by definition, attempt to assert their own desires over the agreed-upon rights of others by using force and/or terror, rather than utilizing the political/social processes we have in place to do it peacefully. 

As someone who was wrongfully imprisoned for nearly a decade, you'll find few people who are more skeptical of the power of government agents and the overreach of our police powers... but these men are threatening to kill law enforcement for carrying out the lawful duty of police, as they violate the law of the land in clear defiance of the lawful authority of the government, simply because they want to profit, which is a terrorist act. I'm a former environmental scientist/field biologist, yet I would not care if they were doing this same action on behalf of protecting the refuge. The moment they brought guns and threats into their actions, they ceased to be political activists and became terrorists. 

Fuck them and fuck you for saying I would support them if they shared my ideology.

I don't think you'd label them terrorists if they were left wing. I mean they haven't committed any violence, they haven't terrorized anybody. It's a real stretch of the definition that just because they are armed (which is legal) that they are terrorists. That would require the labeling of any legally armed protesters as terrorists. Do people really think doing that is good liberal values?. Do you think the cops should go in and shoot them? I'm just confused as to what you guys think should be done exactly?

[CapnAwesome]

Um....

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/ammon-bu...-building/

Ammon Bundy rejects sheriff’s offer of safe passage out of Oregon federal building

Protest leader Ammon Bundy met with Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who offered to escort the occupiers out of the state as a way to end the standoff, but Bundy declined.

So apparently we just sit and wait?

As opposed to what? Going in a shooting people for potential violence? Do you guys even hear yourselves?

[Minimalist]

How about if the cops do what they are supposed to do even with minority suspects?  Walk up to the door and tell them they are under arrest?  If they resist at that point all bets are off but our police are not supposed to be sturmtruppen.

[account_inactive]

As opposed to what? Going in a shooting people for potential violence? Do you guys even hear yourselves?

Excuse me. I exist as well you know, and in fact just a couple of posts above I also suggested that we cut their access to water and food and also place a blanket reporting ban on the situation. They will eventually fuck off themselves without any real force required.