Another raaaaaaaaaape!!!

[Edwardo Piet]

I blame Jesus.

/trolling

[Napoléon]

Yes, what she did was reckless and idiotic. I don't think anyone here is denying that.

O rly?

[CapnAwesome]

I agree, but I'd be pretty skeptical of this particular woman's story. It doesn't seem credible to me at all, someone who's gone through the trauma of rape doesn't put herself in the same situation again and again and again.

According to?

Trained psychologists who have studied Rape Trauma syndrome and post rape behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_traum..._responses

There is a lot in there to suggest it's unlikely that a girl who's been raped before, much less multiple times is probably not going to put herself in the situation that that girl put herself in. I'm not victim blaming, but that doesn't mean that you can't decide whether or not something is true or likely. Here is just a sample of common behavior of someone post rape trauma:

A common psychological defense that is seen in rape survivors is the development of fears and phobias specific to the circumstances of the rape, for example:

• A fear of being in crowds.
  
• A fear of being left alone anywhere.
  
• A fear of men or women. (androphobia or gynophobia)
  
• A fear of going out at all, agoraphobia.
  
• A fear of being touched, hapnophobia.
  
• Specific fears related to certain characteristics of the assailant, e.g. side-burns, straight hair, the smell of alcohol or cigarettes, type of clothing or car.
  
• Some survivors develop very suspicious, paranoid feelings about strangers.
  
• Some feel a pervasive fear of most or all other people.

Does that sound at all similar to going home with a guy alone and taking a shower with or close to him. I'm not saying it's impossible someone adjusts differently or that it's impossible, but with this specific case where we have only heard one side, I'd apply a healthy bit of skepticism.

[Lemonvariable72]

According to?

Trained psychologists who have studied Rape Trauma syndrome and post rape behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_traum..._responses

There is a lot in there to suggest it's unlikely that a girl who's been raped before, much less multiple times is probably not going to put herself in the situation that that girl put herself in. I'm not victim blaming, but that doesn't mean that you can't decide whether or not something is true or likely. Here is just a sample of common behavior of someone post rape trauma:

A common psychological defense that is seen in rape survivors is the development of fears and phobias specific to the circumstances of the rape, for example:

• A fear of being in crowds.
  
• A fear of being left alone anywhere.
  
• A fear of men or women. (androphobia or gynophobia)
  
• A fear of going out at all, agoraphobia.
  
• A fear of being touched, hapnophobia.
  
• Specific fears related to certain characteristics of the assailant, e.g. side-burns, straight hair, the smell of alcohol or cigarettes, type of clothing or car.
  
• Some survivors develop very suspicious, paranoid feelings about strangers.
  
• Some feel a pervasive fear of most or all other people.

Does that sound at all similar to going home with a guy alone and taking a shower with or close to him. I'm not saying it's impossible someone adjusts differently or that it's impossible, but with this specific case where we have only heard one side, I'd apply a healthy bit of skepticism.

Especially given its in the middle of a anti-rape campaign. Still the details as I know them now, sound a bit more believable. Still, nine times, that's a little farfetched. Unless she lived in a warzone or something.

[GrandizerII]

According to?

Trained psychologists who have studied Rape Trauma syndrome and post rape behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_traum..._responses

From the same link:

Criticisms of the scientific validity of the RTS construct are that it is vague in important details; it is unclear what its boundary conditions are; it uses unclear terms that do not have a basis in psychological science; it fails to specify key quantitative relationships; it has not undergone subsequent scientific evaluation since the 1974 Burgess and Holstrom study; there are theoeretical allegiance effects; it has not achieved a consensus in the field; it is not falsifiable; it ignores possible mediators; it is not culturally sensitive; and it is not suitable for being used to infer that rape has or has not occurred. PTSD has been described as a superior model since unlike RTS, empirical examination of the PTSD model has been extensive, both conceptually and empirically.

Link to abstract of study that is referenced by the last statement in the quote:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1...014.918067

[CapnAwesome]

Trained psychologists who have studied Rape Trauma syndrome and post rape behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_traum..._responses

From the same link:

Criticisms of the scientific validity of the RTS construct are that it is vague in important details; it is unclear what its boundary conditions are; it uses unclear terms that do not have a basis in psychological science; it fails to specify key quantitative relationships; it has not undergone subsequent scientific evaluation since the 1974 Burgess and Holstrom study; there are theoeretical allegiance effects; it has not achieved a consensus in the field; it is not falsifiable; it ignores possible mediators; it is not culturally sensitive; and it is not suitable for being used to infer that rape has or has not occurred. PTSD has been described as a superior model since unlike RTS, empirical examination of the PTSD model has been extensive, both conceptually and empirically.

Link to abstract of study that is referenced by the last statement in the quote:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1...014.918067

Yeah, duh. It's not a 100% assurance of behavior it's a tread. You just asked me according to who, so I was letting you know I wasn't talking out of my ass. I don't think someone with PTSD is going to behave in her type of behavior either.

[GrandizerII]

From the same link:


Link to abstract of study that is referenced by the last statement in the quote:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1...014.918067

Yeah, duh. It's not a 100% assurance of behavior it's a tread. You just asked me according to who, so I was letting you know I wasn't talking out of my ass. I don't think someone with PTSD is going to behave in her type of behavior either.

Perhaps then you should check the other link I posted earlier.

[Catholic_Lady]

Yes, what she did was reckless and idiotic. I don't think anyone here is denying that.

O rly?

As far as I saw, no one was defending her decision to accept a shower invite from a drunk, practically homeless man who had the hots for her. I think we can all agree it was poor judgement at the very least.

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, duh. It's not a 100% assurance of behavior it's a tread. You just asked me according to who, so I was letting you know I wasn't talking out of my ass. I don't think someone with PTSD is going to behave in her type of behavior either.

Perhaps then you should check the other link I posted earlier.

Okay.......There being criticism of something doesn't mean that I pulled it out of my ass. You asked,' according to who' and I told you psychologists who have studied it. Which is true. There being criticism of a phychological diagnosis is nothing new. They all have criticism. Also her having PTSD no better explains her behavior. I'd take that skepticism of yours and spread it around a little.

[GrandizerII]

Perhaps then you should check the other link I posted earlier.

Okay.......There being criticism of something doesn't mean that I pulled it out of my ass. You asked,' according to who' and I told you psychologists who have studied it. Which is true. There being criticism of a phychological diagnosis is nothing new. They all have criticism. Also her having PTSD no better explains her behavior. I'd take that skepticism of yours and spread it around a little.

Sigh ... yes, I agree they criticize each other's works all the time ... nothing new there, but some things just aren't empirically validated, and RTS is one of them.

And the other link I posted said this specifically:

Overall, past victimization, young age, and a diagnosis of active PTSD increased women's risk of being raped.

So, yeah, that's all.