Rule Change (New Staff Power)

[Losty]

Orange? That looked red to me. The retired staff color looks orange.

Am I color blind?

I thought it was kinda peach

[Brian37]

And once again it's been pointed out that nobody is preventing you from voicing your concerns. There is no censorship, there is no authoritarianism except inasmuch as a few of us are given a certain degree of authority, manifesting as slightly deeper access to the forum software. We don't have privileges denied to other members, nobody is getting anything out of the job. The system is set up to eliminate personal bias as far as possible; no mod has the authority to go rogue and act unilaterally on high power sanctions, but even if they were to do so the action would be reversed and that mod punished - resigned or maybe even banned, depending on the severity.

If the only objection is that Staff deliberations are held in camera, how would making them public be a fairer system?

Bold mine

Of course it would. Are you kidding me? Transparency is the hallmark of a fair system. What you might perceive as fair might not be. I'm not saying you should delegate actual powers to the membership at large, but I can't see how it could hurt for us to be able to see what's going on behind the curtain so that we might give feedback and point out what we perceive as errors in your thinking. It would still be your decisions as staff, but it would be informed by the membership.

Holy crap dude, I think you are simply looking to be paranoid for no good reason.

Even in real life outside the web, courts have judges, judges often have sidebars with lawyers the gallery does not hear. Even judges can ponder a case inside chambers in private. There is no funny business going on here.

[Excited Penguin]

Bold mine

Of course it would. Are you kidding me? Transparency is the hallmark of a fair system. What you might perceive as fair might not be. I'm not saying you should delegate actual powers to the membership at large, but I can't see how it could hurt for us to be able to see what's going on behind the curtain so that we might give feedback and point out what we perceive as errors in your thinking. It would still be your decisions as staff, but it would be informed by the membership.

Holy crap dude, I think you are simply looking to be paranoid for no good reason.

Even in real life outside the web, courts have judges, judges often have sidebars with lawyers the gallery does not hear. Even judges can ponder a case inside chambers in private. There is no funny business going on here.

The analogy with the courts is very bad. Here you don't have the chance to defend yourself. If the staff thinks you acted badly, you're going to get banned no matter what. Are we to assume the staff is always right about everything?

[Losty]

Imagine how many staff members would quit if they had to deal with EP bitching about every single decision they make. Isn't their job hard enough?

[Losty]

Holy crap dude, I think you are simply looking to be paranoid for no good reason.

Even in real life outside the web, courts have judges, judges often have sidebars with lawyers the gallery does not hear. Even judges can ponder a case inside chambers in private. There is no funny business going on here.

The analogy with the courts is very bad. Here you don't have the chance to defend yourself. If the staff thinks you acted badly, you're going to get banned no matter what. Are we to assume the staff is always right about everything?

I call bullshit. You can make your case. The rules tell a specific way to go about it so I know you get to. Don't try to act like you weren't warned before you got banned.

[Excited Penguin]

Imagine how many staff members would quit if they had to deal with EP bitching about every single decision they make. Isn't their job hard enough?

I think if you're ready to take a position of power you should be ready to handle the resulting pressure. I object to your phrasing, though. Please refrain from insulting me. Keep in mind I can not respond in kind, as I will get banned for doing so, whereas you won't.

[Excited Penguin]

The analogy with the courts is very bad. Here you don't have the chance to defend yourself. If the staff thinks you acted badly, you're going to get banned no matter what. Are we to assume the staff is always right about everything?

I call bullshit. You can make your case. The rules tell a specific way to go about it so I know you get to. Don't try to act like you weren't warned before you got banned.

I think I didn't get properly warned. But this thread isn't about me or my ban. Can we stop talking about it, in the hope that I won't get banned again for "derailing" a thread?

[Losty]

Imagine how many staff members would quit if they had to deal with EP bitching about every single decision they make. Isn't their job hard enough?

I think if you're ready to take a position of power you should be ready to handle the resulting pressure. I object to your phrasing, though. Please refrain from insulting me. Keep in mind I can not respond in kind, as I will get banned for doing so, whereas you won't.

I didn't insult. If I was going to insult you I would have said "EP is a douchenozzle" also, insulting someone is not against the rules and is not considered flaming. You'd do well to work on your reading comprehension skills and then look over the rules again.

[Losty]

I call bullshit. You can make your case. The rules tell a specific way to go about it so I know you get to. Don't try to act like you weren't warned before you got banned.

I think I didn't get properly warned. But this thread isn't about me or my ban. Can we stop talking about it, in the hope that I won't get banned again for "derailing" a thread?

I'll stop discussing it when you stop lying.

Here you don't have the chance to defend yourself. If the staff thinks you acted badly, you're going to get banned no matter what. Are we to assume the staff is always right about everything?

This is a lie.

[Excited Penguin]

I think if you're ready to take a position of power you should be ready to handle the resulting pressure. I object to your phrasing, though. Please refrain from insulting me. Keep in mind I can not respond in kind, as I will get banned for doing so, whereas you won't.

I didn't insult. If I was going to insult you I would have said "EP is a douchenozzle" also, insulting someone is not against the rules and is not considered flaming. You'd do well to work on your reading comprehension skills and then look over the rules again.

Against the rules or not, I was banned for doing it. But that's not what I want to talk about here. I am merely asking you, politely, to address me in a more civilised manner so I can do the same. Otherwise I'll have to not respond to you at all, for fear of getting banned if I do.