Women's clothes?

[Mystic]

In my opinion, it has nothing to do with confidence or lack of it. It has everything to do with other virtuous qualities that people want to do away with.

May the balance/order/light/reason/purity prevail over the darkness/ignorance/uncleanness/foolishness/chaos/corruption in all societies till it becomes dominant and victorious.

Are you sure you're up for this MK?  We're discussing how a woman's curvaceous body looks under yoga pants.  Or is your being up the reason you're here?  (Pro tip: no unsolicited dick pictures.)

I live in the west. I've been to beaches. I don't think evil of women who dress that way, but I do think more of women who dress more modestly. I don't judge woman to be bad character or anything for how they dress, but there are virtues, there is light, there is unseen beauty and glory to human, that if people want to walk the higher path, have to adopt certain way to dress.

[Athene]

In my opinion, it has nothing to do with confidence or lack of it. It has everything to do with other virtuous qualities that people want to do away with.

As I stated a few pages back, I wear what I'm comfortable in and what the situation demands, not to attract the attention of men.

Now ask yourself WHY the various religions demand 'modesty' of women while not applting the same rule to men?  Is it, perhaps, that those religions were created and run by "men"?

Whassamatter with you, you crazy broad? Don't you want your virtue protected, honey?

[Mystic]

As I stated a few pages back, I wear what I'm comfortable in and what the situation demands, not to attract the attention of men.

Now ask yourself WHY the various religions demand 'modesty' of women while not applting the same rule to men?  Is it, perhaps, that those religions were created and run by "men"?

Whassamatter with you, you crazy broad? Don't you want your virtue protected, honey?

Atheist: no such thing as objective virtue, it's all relative to what we decide...yet when other societies believe differently then them, mock it. Rich. Real Rich.

[Rhondazvous]

I lack confidence?

o_O

Touché

I looked up the word confidence in Wikipedia and there was your picture.

[Rhondazvous]

Whassamatter with you, you crazy broad? Don't you want your virtue protected, honey?

Atheist: no such thing as objective virtue, it's all relative to what we decide...yet when other societies believe differently then them, mock it. Rich. Real Rich.

Was this guy included in the 2015 AF Awards as a joke?

Religion offers no more objectivity than atheism, since all the gods say something different. Christianity says women can wear what they want. Islam says they have to cover everything but their eyes. Some religions say women have to cover their heads when they pray. Your nebulous undefined god may have something else to say. What's objective about that?

[*Deidre*]

[MTL]

Are you sure you're up for this MK?  We're discussing how a woman's curvaceous body looks under yoga pants.  Or is your being up the reason you're here?  (Pro tip: no unsolicited dick pictures.)

I live in the west. I've been to beaches. I don't think evil of women who dress that way, but I do think more of women who dress more modestly. I don't judge woman to be bad character or anything for how they dress, but there are virtues, there is light, there is unseen beauty and glory to human, that if people want to walk the higher path, have to adopt certain way to dress.

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Oh, bullshit.

What doesn't sit well with me is the less-than-nuanced line you draw between "Modest" or "Immodest".

I don't dress sexy, most of the time.

that doesn't mean that I NEVER dress sexy at all.

I am not dressing modestly, during the day, for the sake of modesty, but for practicality.

But, like I said, I will go to a fetish night, and dress very sexy, indeed.

So I take issue with this hamfisted, clumsy, black-and-white method of labeling women
as being either "modest" and "immodest"

because it doesn't allow that THE SAME WOMAN  might dress demurely, at one time, for one reason,

and then dress in a confident, sexy way, at a different time, for a different reason...

(and NEITHER of those might be for the sake of a man)

and just because she is dressed modestly, that does NOT necessarily mean that she is virtuous,

and just because she is dressed sexy, that does NOT necessarily mean that she is NOT virtuous.

I've known uptight, straightlaced librarian types who would put poison in your tea,

and I've known some very liberated people in the fetish scene and LGBT community
who would jump in front of a train to save a stranger.

Virtue has nothing to do with dress.  Nothing.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I've often found quite a bit of virtue in naked women...

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

I've often found quite a bit of virtue in naked women...

Boru

Naming little Boru "virtue" doesn't count.

:p

[Mermaid]

Are you sure you're up for this MK?  We're discussing how a woman's curvaceous body looks under yoga pants.  Or is your being up the reason you're here?  (Pro tip: no unsolicited dick pictures.)

I live in the west. I've been to beaches. I don't think evil of women who dress that way, but I do think more of women who dress more modestly. I don't judge woman to be bad character or anything for how they dress, but there are virtues, there is light, there is unseen beauty and glory to human, that if people want to walk the higher path, have to adopt certain way to dress.

I find it a virtue to mind your own goddamned business about what other people do.