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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 4:44 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 4:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: That is true. If a person accepts evolution, they cannot simultaneously believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis.
So, then you must acknowledge that there is a conflict between religion and science, especially when it comes to the truth of religious text.
If your particular religion involves taking the story of Genesis literally, then yes.
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 4:49 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 4:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: So, then you must acknowledge that there is a conflict between religion and science, especially when it comes to the truth of religious text.
If your particular religion involves taking the story of Genesis literally, then yes.
Catholicism would be one of those, I was raised catholic and never once was I taught to not take the creation story literally or anything in bible for that matter.
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 4:54 pm
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(January 16, 2016 at 4:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: But his work as an astrophysicist was nothing to do with being a Catholic priest. So again, where is the relevance?
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand. Yes, his work as a scientist and his work as a priest were 2 separate vocations. The fact that he could be both things at the same time without compromising each position shows that the Church takes no issue whatsoever with the acceptance of evolution. There is no conflict between the 2. That's the point.
Then it's not a particularly flattering point. If the message, essentially, is that being Catholic doesn't mean you're not open minded and you can actually make a useful contribution to science, it's as patronising as telling women not to worry about not being male because they too can be scientists.
Oh, and the Big Bang isn't part of evolution theory.
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 4:56 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 4:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If your particular religion involves taking the story of Genesis literally, then yes.
Catholicism would be one of those, I was raised catholic and never once was I taught to not take the creation story literally or anything in bible for that matter.
Um, no it's not. Perhaps you were raised that way by the people who taught you, but official Catholic doctrine says nothing about the story of Genesis (or any OT story) being required to be taken literally. It is widely accepted and acknowledged in the Church that Genesis is allegorical. As for the other OT stories, a Catholic is free to take all of them either literally or figuratively.
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 4:58 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 4:54 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure what is so hard to understand. Yes, his work as a scientist and his work as a priest were 2 separate vocations. The fact that he could be both things at the same time without compromising each position shows that the Church takes no issue whatsoever with the acceptance of evolution. There is no conflict between the 2. That's the point.
Then it's not a particularly flattering point. If the message, essentially, is that being Catholic doesn't mean you're not open minded and you can actually make a useful contribution to science, it's as patronising as telling women not to worry about not being male because they too can be scientists.
Oh, and the Big Bang isn't part of evolution theory.
Ok. Well a Catholic is free to accept both.
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 4:59 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 4:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Catholicism would be one of those, I was raised catholic and never once was I taught to not take the creation story literally or anything in bible for that matter.
Um, no it's not. Perhaps you were raised that way by the people who taught you, but official Catholic doctrine says nothing about the story of Genesis (or any OT story) being required to be taken literally. It is widely accepted and acknowledged in the Church that Genesis is allegorical. As for the other OT stories, a Catholic is free to take all of them either literally or figuratively.
The story of creation is allegorical? For what?
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 5:01 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 4:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If your particular religion involves taking the story of Genesis literally, then yes.
Catholicism would be one of those..
^See? This is why I have to keep repeating the stuff about learning evolution is Catholic school, and the fact that the daddy of evolution was a Catholic priest. Because of ignorant, incorrect comments like these.
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 5:03 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Catholicism would be one of those..
^See? This is why I have to keep repeating the stuff about learning evolution is Catholic school, and the fact that the daddy of evolution was a Catholic priest. Because of ignorant, incorrect comments like these.
*big bang, you mean?
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 5:04 pm
I think you mistyped there. Lemaître wasn't involved in evolution theory.
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RE: What's up with creationism?
January 16, 2016 at 5:12 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 5:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 4:49 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Catholicism would be one of those..
^See? This is why I have to keep repeating the stuff about learning evolution is Catholic school, and the fact that the daddy of evolution was a Catholic priest. Because of ignorant, incorrect comments like these.
Why is that an ignorant comment? Again I ask you what is the creation story an allegory for?
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