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The Atheist and Marco Rubio
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RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
Quote:Nope. First off, when you have that high an office, you will be spending most of your time focusing on the needs of the country.

Actually, what the bastards do most of the time is blow lobbyists for money.
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#22
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Nope. First off, when you have that high an office, you will be spending most of your time focusing on the needs of the country.

Actually, what the bastards do most of the time is blow lobbyists for money.

In congress yes, I'd say the president who  has done that the most was Bush Jr. Obama has taken the least vacation time over prior presidents.
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#23
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What was it he said that makes him a "dirt bag?"

How about the fact that he says that you can't understand America if you don't think that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values.  It wasn't.  There were many people who held Juedo-Christian Values, but that does not mean that America was founded on those values.  One may find the word "creator" only in the Declaration of Independence.  Nowhere is God or any sort of creator mentioned in the only legal document that matters--the constitution.  Our rights come from the constitution.   No matter how much theists wish it to be so.  Their God had no involvement in the founding of our country.  The good news is this means that nobody else's god did either.  It's very much a dirtbag thing to suggest that our rights come from 'god'.
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#24
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 22, 2016 at 9:57 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: What a dirtbag.

What was it he said that makes him a "dirt bag?"

The comment about not understanding America was offensive and idiotic. Also he never answers the question, we know you can't force us to pray or force us to believe in the Christian god, the question was not about mind legislation. The question was more to the effect of will you uphold the constitution, the secular document that protects the rights of all Americans, instead of trying to enact laws that fall in line with your religion.

I don't want someone who could effect my rights, using faith to make crucial decisions, I want someone rational, who is going to want to make decisions that best benefit the people, not some moron who thinks he is doing god's work.
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#25
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 2:09 pm)Cecelia Wrote:
(January 23, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What was it he said that makes him a "dirt bag?"

How about the fact that he says that you can't understand America if you don't think that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values.  It wasn't.  There were many people who held Juedo-Christian Values, but that does not mean that America was founded on those values.  One may find the word "creator" only in the Declaration of Independence.  Nowhere is God or any sort of creator mentioned in the only legal document that matters--the constitution.  Our rights come from the constitution.   No matter how much theists wish it to be so.  Their God had no involvement in the founding of our country.  The good news is this means that nobody else's god did either.  It's very much a dirtbag thing to suggest that our rights come from 'god'.

Don't you think the values of the people of the time played a role in the values of they created for the culture/society, though? I think that's all he was saying.

Edit to add: and by "values" I don't mean belief in God... I mean what specifically *comes* from that. Believing in freedom, justice, etc.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#26
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 2:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 23, 2016 at 2:09 pm)Cecelia Wrote: How about the fact that he says that you can't understand America if you don't think that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values.  It wasn't.  There were many people who held Juedo-Christian Values, but that does not mean that America was founded on those values.  One may find the word "creator" only in the Declaration of Independence.  Nowhere is God or any sort of creator mentioned in the only legal document that matters--the constitution.  Our rights come from the constitution.   No matter how much theists wish it to be so.  Their God had no involvement in the founding of our country.  The good news is this means that nobody else's god did either.  It's very much a dirtbag thing to suggest that our rights come from 'god'.

Don't you think the values of the people of the time played a role in the values of they created for the culture/society, though? I think that's all he was saying.

Edit to add: and by "values" I don't mean belief in God... I mean what specifically *comes* from that. Believing in freedom, justice, etc.

Freedom or justice are not Christian concepts, in fact they specifically put in the constitution the state and church would be separate, because the church's law did not promote freedom.
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#27
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 2:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 23, 2016 at 2:09 pm)Cecelia Wrote: How about the fact that he says that you can't understand America if you don't think that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values.  It wasn't.  There were many people who held Juedo-Christian Values, but that does not mean that America was founded on those values.  One may find the word "creator" only in the Declaration of Independence.  Nowhere is God or any sort of creator mentioned in the only legal document that matters--the constitution.  Our rights come from the constitution.   No matter how much theists wish it to be so.  Their God had no involvement in the founding of our country.  The good news is this means that nobody else's god did either.  It's very much a dirtbag thing to suggest that our rights come from 'god'.

Don't you think the values of the people of the time played a role in the values of they created for the culture/society, though? I think that's all he was saying.

Edit to add: and by "values" I don't mean belief in God... I mean what specifically *comes* from that. Believing in freedom, justice, etc
No, He specifically says judeo Christian values
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#28
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(January 23, 2016 at 2:35 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Don't you think the values of the people of the time played a role in the values of they created for the culture/society, though? I think that's all he was saying.

Edit to add: and by "values" I don't mean belief in God... I mean what specifically *comes* from that. Believing in freedom, justice, etc
No, He specifically says judeo Christian values

Right, and the values of the people of those times *were* Judeo Christian, because that's what those people were.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#29
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
(January 23, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(January 23, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: No, He specifically says judeo Christian values

Right, and the values of the people of those times *were* Judeo Christian, because that's what those people were.

They where not all judeo Christian.
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#30
RE: The Atheist and Marco Rubio
This was a canned response. Maybe it's just me but did anyone else get a hint of "thank god that in america we're not going to allow judeo-christian religious persecution"?
And "our religious freedoms should know no bounds"?
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