Brace yourselves for gravitational waves

[Alex K]

Krauss has certainly opened quite the formidable can of worms with his nothings and somethings. My interpretation of what he is saying is that if you have a notion of time and quantum physics of some kind, something will always be going on. But to be honest, I don't know for sure what the hell he means. I haven't listened to him in quite a while. I remember that his talk "a universe from nothing" contained a very good introduction to cosmology though...

[Brian37]

Krauss has certainly opened quite the formidable can of worms with his nothings and somethings. My interpretation of what he is saying is that if you have a notion of time and quantum physics  of some kind, something will always be going on. But to be honest, I don't know for sure what the hell he means. I haven't listened to him in quite a while. I remember that his talk "a universe from nothing" contained a very good introduction to cosmology though...

If nothing lasts forever, and I agree, then not even nothing itself can last forever and has to lead to something.

I think that is what he means, which is why I wonder why it cant be that both nothing is finite and something is finite, and the only infinite part is the switching from one to the other over and over. 

But again, you have the degree, so does Krauss, I still am a retard, with enough sense not to stick a god of the gaps answer into it. That really is my only bottom line. I'll let you both battle it out but we can all agree God did not do it.

[GrandizerII]

Krauss has certainly opened quite the formidable can of worms with his nothings and somethings. My interpretation of what he is saying is that if you have a notion of time and quantum physics  of some kind, something will always be going on. But to be honest, I don't know for sure what the hell he means. I haven't listened to him in quite a while. I remember that his talk "a universe from nothing" contained a very good introduction to cosmology though...

If nothing lasts forever, and I agree, then not even nothing itself can last forever and has to lead to something.

I think that is what he means, which is why I wonder why it cant be that both nothing is finite and something is finite, and the only infinite part is the switching from one to the other over and over. 

But again, you have the degree, so does Krauss, I still am a retard, with enough sense not to stick a god of the gaps answer into it. That really is my only bottom line. I'll let you both battle it out but we can all agree God did not do it.

For this nothing to even lead to something, that sounds like a "nothing" with potential, capacity, or fabric. I don't understand how that is literally a "nothing". A literal one would not lead to anything for it is nothing. That means, not even the potential to lead to anything.

That is why I personally believe there has always been "something" rather than "nothing".

[Alex K]

If you say "there has always been ..." you already presuppose the existence of a (possibly unbounded) timeline and the laws of physics that go with it, otherwise the words are meaningless. It might be a tautology to say that there "has always been something" or similar things.

[Brian37]

If nothing lasts forever, and I agree, then not even nothing itself can last forever and has to lead to something.

I think that is what he means, which is why I wonder why it cant be that both nothing is finite and something is finite, and the only infinite part is the switching from one to the other over and over. 

But again, you have the degree, so does Krauss, I still am a retard, with enough sense not to stick a god of the gaps answer into it. That really is my only bottom line. I'll let you both battle it out but we can all agree God did not do it.

For this nothing to even lead to something, that sounds like a "nothing" with potential, capacity, or fabric. I don't understand how that is literally a "nothing". A literal one would not lead to anything for it is nothing. That means, not even the potential to lead to anything.

That is why I personally believe there has always been "something" rather than "nothing".

Thats the point, not sure even Krauss is saying that. That is why he has said "nothing matters". I tend to agree, but that "something" as he said in that prior video, has nothing to do with mythological bullshit written 2000 years ago. I lean to not an either/or at the QM level, admittedly from a retard's point of view. But both depending on the quantum point of view. "It depends" and  the QM math has a fucking shitload of "it depends" decimal places.

I'd still trust Krauss before CS Lewis or Pat Robertnuts.

[Edwardo Piet]

It might be a tautology to say that there "has always been something" or similar things.

I think so. To say existence itself has ever been nonexistent doesn't make any sense.

[Alex K]

It might be a tautology to say that there "has always been something" or similar things.

I think so. To say existence itself has ever been nonexistent doesn't make any sense.

Yep... the whole discussion is mostly noise unless people say exactly what they mean. But who ever does that nowadays...

[Excited Penguin]

Krauss has certainly opened quite the formidable can of worms with his nothings and somethings. My interpretation of what he is saying is that if you have a notion of time and quantum physics  of some kind, something will always be going on. But to be honest, I don't know for sure what the hell he means. I haven't listened to him in quite a while. I remember that his talk "a universe from nothing" contained a very good introduction to cosmology though...

I'm sure you'd better understand what he means if you read his book, A Universe From Nothing. A lot of technical stuff in there, despite his trying to make it readable to a general audience. Don't get me wrong, I liked it, but I think someone like you would get much more from it than a layperson like myself.

[Excited Penguin]

For this nothing to even lead to something, that sounds like a "nothing" with potential, capacity, or fabric. I don't understand how that is literally a "nothing". A literal one would not lead to anything for it is nothing. That means, not even the potential to lead to anything.

That is why I personally believe there has always been "something" rather than "nothing".

Thats the point, not sure even Krauss is saying that. That is why he has said "nothing matters". I tend to agree, but that "something" as he said in that prior video, has nothing to do with mythological bullshit written 2000 years ago. I lean to not an either/or at the QM level, admittedly from a retard's point of view. But both depending on the quantum point of view. "It depends" and  the QM math has a fucking shitload of "it depends" decimal places.

I'd still trust Krauss before CS Lewis or Pat Robertnuts.

Dude, stop calling yourself a retard. I don't know physics at that level either, but you don't see me beating myself up over it. We're still allowed to have our uninformed opinions. Chill out.

[Alex K]

I really should order it...